Failed check/raise on turn I get him om river.

Stinkybeaver · #1 12-09-2005, 04:43 PM

only 87 hands on villian so far he's at 20/13/4,1 so seems to be a tag. I open with a marginal K9s. Options could be made for raising flop but it seemed a bit similar to a wa/wb on the flop thus I want him to bet all the way. Turn hits me and I go for checkraise.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, Button 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.70 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (5.70 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button calls.

Final Pot: 9.70 BB

kapw7 · #2 12-09-2005, 04:57 PM

Check-raise the flop. You are ahead of a lot more hands that he is 3-betting with PF than behind. Your hand is vulnerable to be outdrawn so charge don't give free cards.

MrWookie47 · #3 12-09-2005, 04:58 PM

I disagree. I think WA/WB is much more appropriate on the flop.

Guruman · #4 12-09-2005, 05:04 PM

I'm with wookie. Once it gets HU, we have no reason to push him off a worse hand, and no reason to spew if we have one.

Checkraising that flop would suck if he threebet.

Also, I tend to wuss out and bet/call the river out of fear that it checks through, but that's probably bad.

Disconnected · #5 12-09-2005, 05:04 PM

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Check-raise the flop. You are ahead of a lot more hands that he is 3-betting with PF than behind. Your hand is vulnerable to be outdrawn so charge don't give free cards.

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Villain isn't so wild that we're likely to be ahead of way more hands than we're behind. If we are ahead, I don't agree that our hand is vulnerable to be outdrawn.

To OP: I like the line you took this hand. What was your plan if the turn and river were blanks?

Stinkybeaver · #6 12-09-2005, 08:03 PM

I'm using WA/WB line here so with blanks it would be check/call turn and bet/call river. If he checks through turn I obviosly lead river however not an A, in which case I check/cry.

BTW villian showed ATo

milesdyson · #7 12-09-2005, 08:09 PM

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villian showed ATo

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it is AQ or TT very often based on the turn. ATo seems a distant 3rd, QQ 4th. TT may not call a bet anyway.

i think the river c/r is good here because his turn check so narrowly defined his range, unless you think he would raise the river with AQ/AT (possible). this way, betting gives him the chance to make a bad call with TT (whereas he really should not bet it when you check), and still gets you two bets from the aces.

Stinkybeaver · #8 12-09-2005, 08:12 PM

Yeah ATo Suprised me aswell. I also think that I get more from C/R this river.

kapw7 · #9 12-09-2005, 09:51 PM

We are ahead of:
99 (6 ways) TT (6) QQ (6) AQ (16) AJ (12) Total: 46

We are behind of:
AA (6) KK (1) JJ (3) AK (8) KQs (2). Total: 20

So maths only make us 46:20 favorites.
I'm afraid the WA/WB line has become an excuse for playing weak tight.

MrWookie47 · #10 12-09-2005, 10:08 PM

I don't know how many 13% PFRs 3bet AJ, even in this spot. Furthermore, a flop c/r is still probably not best, even if we take this range as gospel. It lets him off easy with a lot of those hands.