600 nl KK UTG

[Heimdal]

I limp UTG with KK. EP raises to $30. I put him on AA-TT, AK-AQ. We both have full stacks. He is average, not tricky, perhaps a little loose postflop.
Folded to me. I call.
Flop is 833r. He will bet the flop when checked to.
What's your plan?

[PokerGodess]

I don't know many people who are a little loose postflop who only openraise pf with AQ/AK, TT-AA. I think that you need to be more realistic with the villains range of hands here.

That said if I think that he will call a bet with AQ/AK then I would lead into him and hope to get raised if he has TT-QQ (i would then call the raise and lead the turn.)

[technologic]

full stacks = 100xbb?

i think i would lead out. if he autobets this flop, there's no way to know what he has by check calling, etc. by leading out, you can pretty much narrow down his range of hands. if he calls, he probably has AA/KK/QQ/JJ and can procced with caution. if he raises, it's PROBABLY a good idea to muck.

i would probably lead the turn again if he called, and see his action. if he moves in, it's a faster muck, as he's not going to get much fold equity by raising your double barrel shotgun blast.

on the river, if you get that far, i'd check/fold. he would not bet the river with QQ/JJ and would probably want to get a showdown.

[xorbie]

Are you serious? If I bet out this flop, it could very easily be telling the guy "I think you missed, I have 66/77 and I'm pretty sure I'm ahead". His raise could be JJ.

I like leading out here, getting raised, calling and then leading out the turn.

Check/folding the river is terrible.

[-Skeme-]

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Are you serious? If I bet out this flop, it could very easily be telling the guy "I think you missed, I have 66/77 and I'm pretty sure I'm ahead". His raise could be JJ.

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Yeah, it could be Jacks, but most likely it's not. Villain is a loose player, which means he's opening with far more mediocre hands then rockcrushers. If he has Jacks, then I really doubt he's getting away from them, even if Hero check-raises. A check-raise could also mean, "I think you missed and I'm pretty sure I'm way ahead." If Hero has garbage, he's making a continuation bet regardless. Might aswell check-raise his autobet and take it down if he's missed. Leading out pretty much eliminates the chance to take free money away from Villain when he's missed his hand. Given the type of player that Villain is, I see him having less than stellar hands more often than not.

[spoohunter]

Skeme read the Original Posters range of hands for his opponent.

[ML4L]

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full stacks = 100xbb?

i think i would lead out. if he autobets this flop, there's no way to know what he has by check calling, etc. by leading out, you can pretty much narrow down his range of hands. if he calls, he probably has AA/KK/QQ/JJ and can procced with caution. if he raises, it's PROBABLY a good idea to muck.

i would probably lead the turn again if he called, and see his action. if he moves in, it's a faster muck, as he's not going to get much fold equity by raising your double barrel shotgun blast.

on the river, if you get that far, i'd check/fold. he would not bet the river with QQ/JJ and would probably want to get a showdown.

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Say it ain't so, Doug. Say it ain't so...

ML4L

[technologic]

maybe i'm playing scared poker?

tell me where my thinking is off.

i think you might be saying i'm in error because the villain's range of hands is huge, and hero has a good chance of getting stacked off here because villain may move in with hands less than AA. is that correct?

curious to know your thoughts...maybe this is a big leak of mine

[Your Mom]

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full stacks = 100xbb?

i think i would lead out. if he autobets this flop, there's no way to know what he has by check calling, etc. by leading out, you can pretty much narrow down his range of hands. if he calls, he probably has AA/KK/QQ/JJ and can procced with caution. if he raises, it's PROBABLY a good idea to muck.

i would probably lead the turn again if he called, and see his action. if he moves in, it's a faster muck, as he's not going to get much fold equity by raising your double barrel shotgun blast.

on the river, if you get that far, i'd check/fold. he would not bet the river with QQ/JJ and would probably want to get a showdown.

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I don't play much no limit, but even I know this is terrible.

[Heimdal]

We both had 100BB. 9-handed
He raised from EP that's why I thought he had a big hand