So I just lost 30K...... - Page 9

Jonny · #81 11-17-2005, 11:18 AM

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How could you be up 60k and your bankroll is 8k? In your original post, you made it seem like you won this money and promptly lost it back. Where did the other 52k go?
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Indeed. How is this your "all time" stats graph?

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I would like to ensure my college is paid for first, in case some more bad 'variance' hits me. I am considering taking out about 10K to jump me back up to the 1K's but would prefer the rest to be locked in. Its a personal preference, but I think rebuilding for a couple months would be better than risking ruin and coming up from low stakes again.

Obviously 40K isnt enough for college, so I will be making contributions quarterly as soon as I start making real money again.

Jonny · #82 11-17-2005, 11:21 AM

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You must be willing to be critical of yourelf

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How do you think I made ~100K in 1 1/2 years starting with $50 on paradise poker?

It sure as hell wasn't by thinking I was the best player in the world.

#83 11-17-2005, 11:22 AM

I never said you don't understand variance and I never said you suck. Why are you calling with top pair if you have reason to believe you're beat? Why are you calling with sets if you're confident your opponent has the flush? You must be doing something right if your reads are correct as to what your opponent has, now answer the question as to why you are unable to let your hand go and you're on your way to playing better. There is a post in the psychology forum about this. But if you're unwilling to criticize yourself and find your mistakes and the reasons for them, excpect to have more swings. And quit being so f.ucking defensive when people point out things that might help you.
As for myself, I'm not the best, I know that. I'm a student of the game. When I'm locked in and in the zone, I can make some pretty incredible reads and call guys down with crap because I know my crap is better than his crap. However, sometimes too often I think I get knock a guy off a hand. I know what he has and I know what he has is very vulnerable, so, I bet with authority to get him off his hand and he calls me. So, I should probably do that less. I was trying to steal the blinds too much and Barry Greenstein told me I need to do it less so that my button raises will not lose respect. Admitting my flaws is the only way to correct them.

Jonny · #84 11-17-2005, 11:34 AM

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You don't post a single example of a hand

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Here you go...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (3 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($2531)
SB ($763.50)
BB ($1344)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
Hero raises to $70, 1 fold, BB raises to $330, Hero calls $280.

Flop: ($710) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB calls $994 (All-In), Hero calls $994.

Turn: ($2698) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($2698) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $2698

Results below:
BB has 3s 3h (three of a kind, threes).
Hero has Ah Kd (one pair, kings).
Outcome: BB wins $2698.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button ($2567.50)
Hero ($2078)
BB ($2000)
UTG ($2151)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $10.
UTG calls $20, Button calls $20, Hero (poster) raises to $90, BB calls $80, UTG calls $80, Button calls $80.

Flop: ($400) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Button bets $100, Hero calls $100, BB raises to $300, UTG calls $300, Button folds, Hero raises to $1000, BB folds, UTG calls $1751 (All-In), Hero calls $978 (All-In).

Turn: ($4829) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($4829) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $4829

Results below:
Hero has Ks Kc (full house, kings full of fours).
UTG has 4s 4h (four of a kind, fours).
Outcome: UTG wins $4829.

Jonny · #85 11-17-2005, 11:36 AM

This one was unfortunate.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (3 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($1940)
BB ($1985)
Button ($979.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $10.
Button calls $20, Hero (poster) completes, BB raises to $45, Button folds, Hero calls $45.

Flop: ($150) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $150, BB raises to $300, Hero calls $1725 (All-In), BB calls $1575.

Turn: ($3900) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($3900) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $3900

Results below:
Hero has Tc 9s (straight, king high).
BB has Th Ac (straight, ace high).
Outcome: BB wins $3900.

turnipmonster · #86 11-17-2005, 11:37 AM

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Obviously 40K isnt enough for college

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thank god for state schools.

Jonny · #87 11-17-2005, 11:44 AM

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I never said you don't understand variance and I never said you suck. Why are you calling with top pair if you have reason to believe you're beat? Why are you calling with sets if you're confident your opponent has the flush? You must be doing something right if your reads are correct as to what your opponent has, now answer the question as to why you are unable to let your hand go and you're on your way to playing better. There is a post in the psychology forum about this. But if you're unwilling to criticize yourself and find your mistakes and the reasons for them, excpect to have more swings. And quit being so f.ucking defensive when people point out things that might help you.
As for myself, I'm not the best, I know that. I'm a student of the game. When I'm locked in and in the zone, I can make some pretty incredible reads and call guys down with crap because I know my crap is better than his crap. However, sometimes too often I think I get knock a guy off a hand. I know what he has and I know what he has is very vulnerable, so, I bet with authority to get him off his hand and he calls me. So, I should probably do that less. I was trying to steal the blinds too much and Barry Greenstein told me I need to do it less so that my button raises will not lose respect. Admitting my flaws is the only way to correct them.

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I agree with everything you have said in this post. Sorry if I offended anyone trying to help me. You sound like you have some of the same flaws as me, like trying to push a guy of top pair weak kicker with a big river bet, and being called. I am working on this along with other flaws.

1) I did not play optimally during this stretch. What I have learned is to take a break after losing big, not chase losses, even when I think I can beat the game

2) I have reached the level I am at by being tough on myself and admitting my flaws. I think this is the best way to improve. Look at big hands you lost and analyze if you could have done anything about it.

3) When I return to the 2k, I will not make the same mistakes again.

4) My situation is not all that bad, I have 50K in the bank/stock market, and 10K in my BR(won $2000 in NL400 recently), so I don't have much pressure to play too much.

Jonny · #88 11-17-2005, 11:47 AM

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Obviously 40K isnt enough for college

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thank god for state schools.

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Actually 40K will cover tuition easily, its living arrangements and food I am concerned with.

MSU is ~15K/year including room and board. When I move to an apartment it will be roughly the same price as living in the dorms.

So overall I'm probably only going to need 20K more to be safe.

But yeah, private school costs a ton. My friend goes to one with 500 kids so he could play baseball, and his tuition is around 35K a year!

#89 11-17-2005, 11:54 AM

I can see you've missed the point of my comments completely. That's too bad.

Jonny · #90 11-17-2005, 12:02 PM

Not really, I know I played bad during this stretch, but some were saying that it was 100% tilt. I was posting one of the hands the put me on tilt. That is all.

Your point is that I need to be critical of my own play, which I agree with. I'll post a hand I played horribly now.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP1 ($1367)
MP2 ($4573)
CO ($3116.95)
Hero ($5210)
SB ($7860.90)
BB ($2913)
UTG ($1163.99)
UTG+1 ($800.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
5 folds, Hero raises to $70, 1 fold, BB raises to $230, Hero raises to $800, BB calls $550.

Flop: ($1610) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($1610) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $850, Hero calls $4410 (All-In), BB calls $1263 (All-In).

River: ($8133) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $8133

Results in white below: 
BB has Ah Ad (two pair, aces and queens).
Hero has Ks Kc (two pair, kings and queens).
Outcome: BB wins $5836. Hero wins $2297. 

I think I should have just called his RR preflop, raised his flop bet, check/check turn, and call river.

NEXT- This was my worst play probably

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($3337)
CO ($1890)
Button ($2000)
SB ($1978)
BB ($2000)
UTG ($2511.70)
MP1 ($2556)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
UTG raises to $60, 1 fold, Hero calls $60, 4 folds.

Flop: ($150) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $120, Hero calls $120.

Turn: ($390) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $120, Hero raises to $400, UTG calls $280.

River: ($1190) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG calls $1931.70 (All-In), Hero calls $1931.70.

Final Pot: $5053.40

Results in white below: 
UTG has Qs Qd (straight, queen high).
Hero has 7c 7h (straight, jack high).
Outcome: UTG wins $5053.40.