109, 25/50 AA preflop call

[zac777]

Villain seems fairly resonable, very aggressive on flop. Not much of a read on the BB

50/100 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 18058902) - Wed Dec 07 00:04:06 EST 2005
Table Table 67300 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: Forecast777 (1550)
Seat 2: rwmcquarters (1244)
Seat 3: indioranch (825)
Seat 4: zac777 (1255)
Seat 6: Fred67 (580)
Seat 7: franzlaw (623)
Seat 9: yuyuoppa72 (2585)
Seat 10: bakasama (1338)
zac777 posts small blind (25)
Fred67 posts big blind (50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to zac777 [ Ah, Ad ]
franzlaw folds.
yuyuoppa72 folds.
bakasama folds.
Forecast777 raises (125) to 125
rwmcquarters folds.
indioranch folds.
zac777 calls (100)
Fred67 calls (75)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Tc, 9s, Jc ]
zac777 checks.
Fred67 bets (455)
Fred67 is all-In.
Forecast777 raises (1425) to 1425
Forecast777 is all-In.
zac777 calls (1130)
zac777 is all-In.

My standard play is to raise PF: small against a bad player, all-in against a good player. Against an aggressive, thinking player, sometimes I will call here and try to get it all in on the flop or turn.

I think forecast's pushing range on the flop is wide enough to make the call, especially if he will sometimes just call the raise when he hits a set.

Like it? Hate it? Boring?

[freemoney]

calling behind can be good, this is a bad spot

[bluef0x]

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If the villain raised more chips or you had a tight stamp on the BB, the call is good.

Here- I think you can reraise for good value. On the flop put out a small standard CB so that the opponent can reraise you if he got a piece of the board.

[bigt439]

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calling behind can be good, this is a bad spot

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I don't like agreeing with him, but it happens.

[zac777]

Either of you care to elaborate?

[bigt439]

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Either of you care to elaborate?

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You don't want to see this 3-way oop, especially when you have no idea what bb's hand is because he can call with so much. The original raiser probably calls a reraise with a lot of the hands he's raising anyways, so charge him. You also make it way harder to get it all-in on the flop because the pot is so small. You'll likely show more strength on later streets than you would by just reraising pf.

[zac777]

Yeah, I don't particularily like giving BB these odds, but when he's a short stack I think he's more likely to push pf or on the flop, which gives me a springboard to get all in.

If you reraise, what amount do you raise? Sometimes I'm afraid a smaller reraise will be too obvious, and a push will blow him off hands that i'd rather have him c-bet with.

Assuming the BB calls, the pot is 375, which means that a continuation bet from the pf raiser will create a decent sized pot..

Personally I think it's close between calling and raising, but I'm curious to hear any more opinions.

[bigt439]

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Yeah, I don't particularily like giving BB these odds, but when he's a short stack I think he's more likely to push pf or on the flop, which gives me a springboard to get all in.

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Great thinking. In this particular instant it's outweighed by other negative factors, but this is a great way to trap the CO on the flop and can be applied in other situations where the stars are better aligned. Meh, raise to whatever... 350 sounds fine.

[Maulik]

The raise is to 125, you're missing lots of value and you aren't trapping yourself. If villain ends up putting all HIS chips in the middle its likely you'll be behind.