how do you play this river?

#1 11-02-2005, 11:39 AM

I am most interested in the river line, but comments on all streets are appreciated.

BB is (38.89% VPIP, 9.26% PFR, .60 AF, 100 hands)
UTG+1 is (56.25% VPIP, 0% PFR, .26 AF, 32 hands)

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 3 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP3 raises, BB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, BB raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 folds.

River: (13.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 16.25 BB

Forbillz · #2 11-02-2005, 11:45 AM

First, I raise PF here. It's prob my lowest PF raise hand, but i want to eliminate Ax if possible. Considering this wasn't done, I think I just call the river.

I also consider 3betting the turn.

Redd · #3 11-02-2005, 11:50 AM

I'd raise preflop, 3-bet the flop, and probably fold the river. I don't know if a counterfeit 1-pair hand wins very often given Villain's AF and the fact that he's still showing aggression 3-way. And it'll often be a split even if you're ahead.

molawn2mo · #4 11-02-2005, 11:51 AM

I can't deal, at the moment , with the question as you posed it...

I can deal with the hand as it ought have been played.

Raise preflop.

Bet/3 bet/call a cap on the flop. jam it now your hand is a monster

Bet/3 bet/call a cap on the turn. jam it your hand is a still a monster

God knows what the river would look like if the prior streets were played as described but in the instant case probbaly call 1 bet and expect to lose.

It is not often that you get such monsterous hands. When they appear you really must jam them.

ErrantNight · #5 11-02-2005, 12:08 PM

i'd 3-bet the flop. you might be ahead and if not.... your equity is ginormous.

edited to add: oh yeah, and raise preflop.

the turn will play differently when you do these two things. but the point is the passive, weak manner which you played the first two streets means you can't be certain what that turn raise means, making it much more difficult to play it optimally. unless bb waited for the turn to raise a frush, you're likely ahead.

#6 11-02-2005, 12:41 PM

I think it's a tricky fold. On one hand, I think there's a good chance that someone has an A or the flush, on the other hand, the pot is big enough to make a call debatable.

I'd fold.

#7 11-02-2005, 01:47 PM

I think bet/3-bet/call a cap on the flop is good.

I am not sure about 3-betting the turn. Why do you like a 3-bet on the turn? I think I am actually likely to be behind at this point about 80% of the time, with 12 outs. Am I 3-betting to protect? For information? To build the pot?

Thanks.

soko · #8 11-02-2005, 01:52 PM

KQo is an autoraise preflop UTG? Since when?

#9 11-02-2005, 02:06 PM

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KQo is an autoraise preflop UTG? Since when?

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crazygoose · #10 11-02-2005, 05:29 PM

I don't think folding that river is bad. ugly hand.