87s - River bluff

swolfe · #1 11-20-2005, 11:39 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO ($201.65)
Button ($194.10)
SB ($233.15)
BB ($327.95)
UTG ($52)
UTG+1 ($192)
MP1 ($222.85)
MP2 ($330.98)
Hero ($200)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
4 folds, Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, SB (poster) calls $7, BB raises to $23, Hero calls $17, SB calls $17.

Flop: ($75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $50, SB folds, BB calls $50.

Turn: ($175) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($175) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $25, Hero calls $125 (All-In)

Villain is a nit and the river looks like an obvious blocking bet.

Karak567 · #2 11-20-2005, 11:40 PM

I am folding to the re-raise PF but I am a virtual n00b at NL and probably weak-tight.

ajmargarine · #3 11-20-2005, 11:54 PM

Why didn't you push the turn? Had a chance to represent trip jacks or a flush. What kind of hand reraises preflop from the BB and c/c's the flop, checks turn?? AK/TT/99?? You should get TT/99 to fold to a turn push, and you are value betting against AK.

swolfe · #4 11-21-2005, 09:03 AM

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Why didn't you push the turn? Had a chance to represent trip jacks or a flush. What kind of hand reraises preflop from the BB and c/c's the flop, checks turn?? AK/TT/99?? You should get TT/99 to fold to a turn push, and you are value betting against AK.

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i think the guy had AA/KK/QQ, and i was done after the flop until the river came and he made (what i thought was) an obvious blocking bet. i figured there's no way that he'd call without the A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or maybe the K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

The_Bends · #5 11-21-2005, 09:15 AM

I don't like it. After your push the pot is 225 and he has 100 to call. I think K/Q/J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] all make a crying call because when someone trys to represent a hand they backed into there;s a higher than normal chance they're bluffing, in my experience. Surely with a high club and a hand worth betting on the flop you'd have got active on the turn.

djoyce003 · #6 11-21-2005, 09:18 AM

Actually I think this is a pretty good spot for a bluff....assuming he's a decent player that $25 is such an obvious blocking bet with a hand that is good but doesn't have clubs in it....he can't beat anyone with a club or even a jack in their hand with an overpair as long as it doesn't contain a club.....if this doesn't work then you at least know that you will probably get some action later.

PinkSteel · #7 11-21-2005, 10:37 AM

How good is the nit at hand reading? You're basically representing QQ-AA with the [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], right? I would think your turn check would put doubt in a villain's mind as to the authenticity of the river bet. With that and pot odds, I expect you'd get a call from half the clubs still out.

I agree with earlier poster, if villain is really a nit I'd try to fold him at the turn.

Isura · #8 11-21-2005, 11:06 AM

Even if it's an obvious blocking bet, nits tend to still call when raised with one pair hands. He's also getting over 3:1 on the call, so I see him folding very few better hands.

Ghazban · #9 11-21-2005, 11:13 AM

Did wtfsvi's river overbet with the same hand in a similar situation inspire this? </hijack>

swolfe · #10 11-21-2005, 11:27 AM

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Did wtfsvi's river overbet with the same hand in a similar situation inspire this? </hijack>

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interesting. no, i hadn't seen that thread, but i just read through it. his seems a little more risky.