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Old 11-06-2005, 04:19 PM
thabadguy thabadguy is offline
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Default Another live DS hand.

Villain is one of the tightest players on the table, is pretty aggresive, and I have bluffed him outta couple big ones.5/10 20 to open.
This hand took place before the other one.
Villain has about 4k, i have about 5.5k.
He raises UTG to 80, i have AKh, i call.
normally I would reraise this, but against villains range of hands, Akh is most def a dog, or we both have the same hand, plus im getting no respect, so if he moves in with something like JJ, i cant call.
Flop is 73Kr 1 heart, he pots, i call.
Turn is 5h.
He pots it again, I raise to 1200, he calls.
River is A, he moves in, I fold.
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Old 11-06-2005, 04:40 PM
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Default Re: Another live DS hand.

I really don't like the turn raise. What were you putting him on? You're not getting him to laydown AA(I'm assuming this given your likely table image) or KK and you're not worried about QQ catching up.
So, in the eventuality that he has AA or KK I would just call looking for the flush. The raise might commit him in case you hit your flush, but it doesn't seem to be worth it if that's all the raise accomplishes. Meanwhile, he's going to have trouble believing you have a flush since it was backdoor.
I call and look to play a small pot so my river decision isn't too hard if I miss the flush.
River fold is fine-you chop at best.
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Old 11-06-2005, 05:06 PM
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Default Re: Another live DS hand.

turn raise seems pretty bad.
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Old 11-06-2005, 05:51 PM
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Default Re: Another live DS hand.

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turn raise seems pretty bad.

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Old 11-06-2005, 11:42 PM
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Default Re: Another live DS hand.

just call it down. dont raise turn.
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Old 11-07-2005, 12:08 AM
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Default Re: Another live DS hand.

I really dont like your PF play. If you think your behind just fold there. By not reraising PF you gain no information and it makes it harder to put villian on a range throughout the hand. It appears as if you try to compensate your PF error by reraisng the turn which was also a mistake. Just call down there given your line. But PF i think if you can't reraise him given his your read , your better of just folding....
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Old 11-07-2005, 12:15 AM
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Default Re: Another live DS hand.

wow, i knew you were an idiot, but this big of an idiot?
Jeez
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Old 11-07-2005, 12:58 AM
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Default Re: Another live DS hand.

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wow, i knew you were an idiot, but this big of an idiot?
Jeez

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he is pretty stupid.
generally we have an unspoken code around here... we just kinda ignore him... its more polite than, well, you know...
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Old 11-07-2005, 01:09 AM
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Default Re: Another live DS hand.

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Villain is one of the tightest players on the table, is pretty aggresive

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I think you should raise flop, and if you get called/reraised basically plan on folding. You say he has big pair/AK so if he's going to fold his pair he'll do it on the flop. That keeps it cheap when you're behind. If he calls/reraises he has AA/KK/AK, right? With his given range I think you can safely fold turn to a pot-sized bet as I assume you're drawing to 9 outs at best. I'm curious as to why people are saying call the turn. I agree it's better than raising, but is everyone really giving villian credit for firing a second barrell here with QQ or is there something else I'm missing? I don't think the times when villian has AK and you split are worth the call, especially with another round of betting. I guess I'm just weak-tight, but I would like to hear an explanation for calling, as well as a plan for non-heart rivers.

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Old 11-07-2005, 02:33 AM
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Default Re: Another live DS hand.

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wow, i knew you were an idiot, but this big of an idiot?
Jeez

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who are you talking about?
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