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Old 10-20-2005, 02:07 AM
roy_miami roy_miami is offline
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Default Re: Haven\'t done one of these in a while - KK no Ace rainbow flop fold.

Is KK ever good here? I don't think you included this possibility in your analysis.
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Old 10-20-2005, 02:09 AM
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Default Re: Haven\'t done one of these in a while - KK no Ace rainbow flop fold.

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Is KK ever good here? I don't think you included this possibility in your analysis.

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Hi roy,

After having the betting 3-bet and capped preflop, I think KK is now the worst legitimate hand you can hold. AA-TT and AK all beat you, and two players have claimed to hold them!

But then, never say never. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

good luck.
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Old 10-20-2005, 02:12 AM
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Default Re: Haven\'t done one of these in a while - KK no Ace rainbow flop fold.

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check the flop, some reads would be nice.

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who the [censored] banned you and why?
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Old 10-20-2005, 02:14 AM
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check the flop, some reads would be nice.

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who the [censored] banned you and why?

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HEY YOU! STOP [censored] POSTING AND PLAY!
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Old 10-20-2005, 02:15 AM
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Default Re: Haven\'t done one of these in a while - KK no Ace rainbow flop fold.

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Ha. Don't feel too bad. Even if you call flop and turn you may end up folding unimproved on the river anyways. Call next time since it's a) close, b) rare, and c) painful emotionally to be wrong.

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I figured if I called the flop I was pretty much showdown bound if I can get there for only two more BB, so folding as early as possible would save some money.

As for "c", it's all good. Although I would like to think I play the same ahead as behind, if I were stuck 50 big ones I probably wouldn't be able to make this fold.
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Old 10-20-2005, 02:23 AM
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Default Re: Haven\'t done one of these in a while - KK no Ace rainbow flop fold

Board: Qs Jc Td
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 13.9741 % [ 00.11 00.03 ] { KsKc }
Hand 2: 43.0130 % [ 00.38 00.05 ] { AA-TT, AKs, AKo }
Hand 3: 43.0130 % [ 00.38 00.05 ] { AA-TT, AKs, AKo }

If mp caps half the time, you are getting 1:7.8, when you are a 1:7.1 favorite. And this is ignoring the fact that your opponents could have other hands. In fact, I think it is quite likely, and I'm not just being reults oriented. In a Party game, agasint unknowns, in a large pot, assuming your opponents always have the nut straight or a set is almost never correct.

I call, re-evaluate on the turn depending on action. If a 9 hits you are a favorite over these exrtremely tight ranges. If a 3 hits and the flop was capped I fold; you are now 1:11 to win the hand.
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Old 10-20-2005, 02:23 AM
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Default Re: Haven\'t done one of these in a while - KK no Ace rainbow flop fold

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check the flop, some reads would be nice.

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who the [censored] banned you and why?

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He was banned by the STT forum because he expressed views that differed from the normal view of play AA and KK until level 5 then push anything that most of the stt forum have.
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Old 10-20-2005, 02:38 AM
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Yeah pretty much, they call differing opinions flaming over there.
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Old 10-20-2005, 03:17 AM
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Default Re: Haven\'t done one of these in a while - KK no Ace rainbow flop fold

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Yeah pretty much, they call differing opinions flaming over there.

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Unbelievable that you were banned... I went back and read a couple threads(one where you advocate raising 99 after loose limpers) and you were mindlessly attacked before being accused of deliberately provoking arguments.

You can be abrasive and I don't always agree with your views, but I like reading your posts because you seem to think about poker differently from others on 2+2.
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Old 10-20-2005, 03:28 AM
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b) rare

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The rarity of this exact situation is irrelevant; making solid reads to analyze a situation correctly so we can make thin value bets, good folds or brilliant call downs is the skill to be developed here.

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