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Old 12-10-2005, 08:50 PM
henrikrh henrikrh is offline
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Default Re: Preflop 88, raise here or not.

1 overcard I never care much about, cept the A. I'll bet at the one overcard flops when in position and checked to almost 100% of the time. 2 overs, then I'm checking, unless tight/passive type player.
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Old 12-10-2005, 09:23 PM
EMcWilliams EMcWilliams is offline
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Default Re: Preflop 88, raise here or not.

In the CO, I buy my button, watch as the EP guy calls, fire to a flop check and take my pot. 6-max is just full ring without the first 3 positions.
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Old 12-11-2005, 12:36 AM
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Default Re: Preflop 88, raise here or not.

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1 overcard I never care much about, cept the A. I'll bet at the one overcard flops when in position and checked to almost 100% of the time. 2 overs, then I'm checking, unless tight/passive type player.

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You should start betting these 2 overcard flops a lot more. Try it out, you will like the results.

Remember, if villain starts with 2 unpaired cards, he'll only flop a pair about 1/3 of the time. So even when there are overcards, there's about a 50% chance that he missed the flop or doesn't like his hand much.
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Old 12-11-2005, 01:43 AM
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Default Re: Preflop 88, raise here or not.

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Remember, if villain starts with 2 unpaired cards, he'll only flop a pair about 1/3 of the time. So even when there are overcards, there's about a 50% chance that he missed the flop or doesn't like his hand much.

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This suggests that betting the flop is wrong. If I take down the pot 50% of the time, then I net PFR. The other 50% of the time, I lose PFR + flop bet. This is a net loss.

So either he's got to fold way more than 50%, or the times that I hit my hand have to make up for it. "A mix between the two" is a cheap answer; given that, which do you think dominates here?
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