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Old 11-01-2005, 10:38 PM
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"It is very hard to deny highly qualifed judges for the Supreme Court nominee."

Scalia and Thomas both proabably wouldn't get confirmed today, even though thier writing on the court has been superb.

Hence, the attempt to label the new judge Scaliato.
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Old 11-01-2005, 10:44 PM
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I say none of us can really answer this question unless we know the argument. I think the question was well intentioned, but without a specifc argument to look at its asking the wrong question.

For my 2 cents im curious to hear what exactly is a well constructed CONSTITUTIONAL argument against abortion. There are many religious and moral reasons, but dont't conservatives take a strict view of the constituiton? If we can regulate abortions, what is to stop us from prohibiting interacial marriages, sex changes, or other such matters? It is dangerous precedent to decide that the state should have an intimate involvment in personal matters of sex, reproduction etc.
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Old 11-01-2005, 10:56 PM
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The simplest arguement to adopt is that there is insufficient legal evidence to determine if the child is alive or not. Or something in between. Roe v Wade never dealt with the issue of when life begins, and thus it has never resolved the debate.
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Old 11-01-2005, 11:12 PM
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thats because there is nothing in the constitution addressing this issue. According to conservative philosphy, we shouldn't be allowed to make this kind of stuff up... and its the conservatives comlaining about liberals legislating from the bench :&lt;

When life begins is a personal/religious choice... thats why in the abcence of anything to the contrary in the constitution the state should give free reign when it comes to personal rights and liberties. I personally believe that the government should be involved in people's lives to help them, but when it comes to CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS the government must stay hands off unless specifically allowed.
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Old 11-02-2005, 01:53 PM
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as it stands - I'm pretty much pro-life -

but since we establish death as the cecession of brain activity, I don't know why we don't define life in the same way and just put a 5 week limit on abortions - (about the time the brain stem develops, I think) -

I don't see how life begins at conception and then takes 5 weeks to reach a point of formation where it's capable of clinically dying as we define death.- The Line for life/death should be the same - period.

mostly, if we just preached safe sex, the number of abortions would go way down anyways...but Republicans would rather have 10000 knocked up women a month who can't afford to have kids then to piss off their Religious Base and suggest good sex education would prevent unwanted pregnancies.

Having said that, any society that feels a need to prey on it's weakest members strictly on idealogical grounds is a society that will not last - I can totally understand certain situations where an abortion is practical - having one cause a baby will [censored] up your hollywood career is reprehensible to me.

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Old 11-02-2005, 05:16 PM
Mroberts3 Mroberts3 is offline
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I think you have some good points here. I honestly think that an abortion really should be a last option, not an action taken lightly. It bothers me a great deal that many women who have abortions simply don't feel like they have any other choice, and are being attacked viciously for it. If we had good sex ed in this country, not abstinence only stuff, maybe we could lower the pregnacy rates in the first place. (my high school personally had a great sex ed/drug/health class that I think helped contribute to virtually no pregnacies or hard drug use.)
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Old 11-02-2005, 05:27 PM
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my high school personally had a great sex ed/drug/health class that I think helped contribute to virtually no pregnacies...

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All boys school? Just because you didn't know of pregnancies doesn't mean there weren't any.
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Old 11-02-2005, 06:04 PM
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What if the right to privacy was acknowledged, but the judge found there was insufficient judicial evidence to show that right was greater then the rights of the child.

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My legal reasoning could be wrong here, but my understanding is that the rights of the child aren't at issue in Roe v. Wade, the quoestion is whether or not a woman has a right to have a voluntary medical procedure performed on her. The rights of the "child" (I only use quotations because the decision specifically states that the courts have not decided whether or not a fetus is a person) are irrelevant.
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