When the top card on the flop pairs...

[TimM]

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Most players will raise with top pair on the flop. When the top card on the flop pairs, and you weren't raised on the flop, a turn bet will often be successful in winning the pot. Especially when you were the pre-flop raiser. - andyfox

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Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, CO folds.

Turn: (6.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, UTG+2 calls, Hero [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Edited to add some stats:

UTG: 23/8/1.4 500h
UTG+2: 52/5/1.2 200h

Calls and calls the river.

BTW your turn bet is MUCH better here than andy's hypothetical turn bet in the other thread. You have a much likelier chance of holding the best hand, and you must protect against 6 out draws. Also you have huge value against anyone with a smaller pair, and they are likely to call you.

[TimM]

I folded the best hand, not realizing he was capable of doing this with an A7. If it were heads up, yes, I'd have called down for sure.

River: (11.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, UTG calls.

[flawless_victory]

threebet this turn.

[flawless_victory]

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I folded the best hand, not realizing he was capable of doing this with an A7. If it were heads up, yes, I'd have called down for sure.


[/ QUOTE ]stop giving results before i come by to look like a genious.
given his relative position, even most passive plyers raise the flop w/ a jack.

Man I don't like this turn raise at all! I'd probably call down in most situations, but I think it's very close. It's very possible he's putting you on overs since you raised PF, and trying to make a move/semi-bluff. The fact that UTG+2 is padding the pot makes the decision to call down easier (for me atleast).
Also, I wouldn't raise this PF. I think I'd rather just call and see what the flop brings.

[flawless_victory]

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Man I don't like this turn raise at all!

[/ QUOTE ]quit being such a nit. your hand is v likely to good here, and you have a nice overlay from the guy in the middle w/ the obvious club draw. easy reraise for me.

BTW/ what a donkey UTG is for betting the river and calling a raise! what could MP have??

[TimM]

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stop giving results before i come by to look like a genious.

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You need to bring your genious around sooner. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Anyway, say I call the turn. Now say a club or non-J card higher than 8 appears. Obviously we have to fold to a bet and a raise, but what about a bet and a call? How about a check and a bet?

Definitely 3-betting was the play.