Using a timing tell

SmileyEH · #1 06-16-2005, 07:29 AM

Opponent is loose passive over like 12 hands, so doesn't really mean anything. Hand played out pretty quickly, but the villian waited about 15 seconds before checking the river. Usually this is a sign that the player is trying to scare you into checking behind. This could mean opp. has a low pocket pair, but that is unlikely given the preflop action, so AK-AJ or so is probably most likely.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 5 folds, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets

-SmileyEH

rmarotti · #2 06-16-2005, 07:32 AM

The river bet is not a value bet, and timing tells are usually bullsh[/i]it.

pandared · #3 06-16-2005, 07:33 AM

seems fine, didn't really need a timing tell to bet here though, did he have a-k too?

thesharpie · #4 06-16-2005, 07:33 AM

Not really. I think your average player is going to fold his AJ and call his low pocket pair anyway. I take the free showdown without a real read.

rmarotti · #5 06-16-2005, 07:35 AM

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seems like spewing, didn't really need to bet here

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FYP

SmileyEH · #6 06-16-2005, 07:35 AM

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seems fine, didn't really need a timing tell to bet here though

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This also crossed my mind.

-SmileyEH

rmarotti · #7 06-16-2005, 07:36 AM

this river bet seems really dumb.

chesspain · #8 06-16-2005, 07:36 AM

I'm checking behind, regardless of the twelve handed para-read and the faux timing tell. He's never folding a pair, and he's probably folding AQ or worse. Consequently, I don't like putting in a bet just for the off-chance that he will fold half of this pot if he also has AK.

Moozh · #9 06-16-2005, 07:37 AM

If he's really trying to scare you in to not betting the river, he probably doesn't have much of a hand. If he doesn't have much of a hand, what makes you think he's going to call with it?

SmileyEH · #10 06-16-2005, 07:37 AM

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I'm really confused. I think you're a good player but this river bet seems really dumb.

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I think we need to go to the preflop and flop action to really see how narrow villian's range of hands is.

-SmileyEH