88 preflop question

[SuitedDucks]

all fold to hero in CO who raises with 88. SB(15/0/3.33 over 66 hands) 3-bets(so this would be first preflop raise in 66 hands) and then unknown caps in the BB. Hero...?

You are getting 5:1 immediate odds on your call (based on SB calling the cap); you are pretty much playing for set value, so I think you have a call. Between the two players, you are probably up against some combination of overcards/bigger pairs. If you think you can make up 2.5BB postflop, then you are probably fine. I don't think I'd fold this.

[GHL]

I don't think you'll find a player who 3 bets a "blind steal" and has 0 raises in almost 70 hands... he has you beat.... especially if there are two of them.....

but you have to call and fold a non 8 flop.... also watch out for any cards Q or better on the flop as they probably have you set over set.

[SuitedDucks]

yeah during the hand i assumed that SB had a bigger pair than mine.

is there anyway to put a range on BB's coldcap from an unknown party 2/4 player?

[GHL]

I would say QQ would be the lowest the if they are really LAG or a garden variety maniac...... AA or KK if they are anything else..... althought the "blind steal" brings up a good point...

Based on your read.. given the SB has not raised in almost 70 hands... he has to have a big pair... But I would 3 bet a lot of different hands in that situation.... AK, AQ, maybe TT+.. maybe even KQ or KJ depending on the type of player you are.....

if the BB is awake he would have at least noticed he does not raise often if ever and his raise could possibly scare you more? What are the BB's stats again?

[Yads]

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You are getting 5:1 immediate odds on your call (based on SB calling the cap); you are pretty much playing for set value, so I think you have a call. Between the two players, you are probably up against some combination of overcards/bigger pairs. If you think you can make up 2.5BB postflop, then you are probably fine. I don't think I'd fold this.

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Not quite, you're getting 10:2 odds, so you need to make up 5 BB post flop. I think it's doable, since you'll probably get 4 BB just on the flop.

[UVaHoo]

You're already getting 10:2 to call the cap. If you're 7.5 to 1 against flopping a set, then why do you need to make up 5 big bets postflop?

You're in position, and you'll easily be able to make that up if you flop your 8, especially if one of them can't get away from their KK or AA (likely in a blind steal situation).

[Carmine]

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You are getting 5:1 immediate odds on your call (based on SB calling the cap); you are pretty much playing for set value, so I think you have a call. Between the two players, you are probably up against some combination of overcards/bigger pairs. If you think you can make up 2.5BB postflop, then you are probably fine. I don't think I'd fold this.

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Not quite, you're getting 10:2 odds, so you need to make up 5 BB post flop. I think it's doable, since you'll probably get 4 BB just on the flop.

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Wouldn't it be 5SB you need to make up for which would equal 2.5BB

Call and pray for an 8 on the flop.

They may not have jack, thinking you're just trying to steal the blinds.

[Greg J]

Call and flop a set.

Or, you could call and flop quads.