EV of AQo utg

[DavidC]

I'm kinda curious if you make more than 0.75bb with this hand from this position.

Could some people post their number of hands and bb/100 for AQo (specifically from UTG in games with 8 or more players)?

If we make more than 0.75/hand, then we want callers. If we make less, we want to take the blinds, right?

[Eeegah]

You get AQo UTG once every what, 800 hands or so? How many hands would you need to get a good EV measure here?

[xenthebrain]

In 30k hands I got it 6 times UTG with 1.58 BB/Hand

[bozlax]

Closer to 1 in 100, isn't it? And, say, 500 hands of well-played poker for a decent EV measure? So, 50K hands, total?

[bozlax]

Yeah, ok, so I've had AQo 579 times in 57,555 hands. Overall, my winrate is 0.4BB/100, but I suck. I can't figure out how to filter for just UTG hands, making me stupid, too. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Eeegah]

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Closer to 1 in 100, isn't it? And, say, 500 hands of well-played poker for a decent EV measure? So, 50K hands, total?

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Well, what are the odds of being dealt AQo? There's 52*51=2652 hole cards (counting A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] seperately) and 24 combinations of AQo, so about once per 110 hands. But we're counting just the times we're UTG, so figure once every 8 or 9 hands, so this pops up once every thousand hands. If we claim that our overall BB/100 doesn't converge until 50k or even 100k hands, I don't think we could ever get a meaningful number from this--especially given how our playstyle will evolve over those hands.

[xenthebrain]

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Closer to 1 in 100, isn't it? And, say, 500 hands of well-played poker for a decent EV measure? So, 50K hands, total?

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Well, what are the odds of being dealt AQo? There's 52*51=2652 hole cards (counting A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] seperately) and 24 combinations of AQo, so about once per 110 hands. But we're counting just the times we're UTG, so figure once every 8 or 9 hands, so this pops up once every thousand hands. If we claim that our overall BB/100 doesn't converge until 50k or even 100k hands, I don't think we could ever get a meaningful number from this--especially given how our playstyle will evolve over those hands.

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Well, in my database I have 3k hands on the button and just 1k hands UTG (in 27k hands).

[bozlax]

I'll agree with that. I think the OP was pretty silly, but I've got nothing better to do than fiddle with PT while my kids eat supper....

[DavidC]

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You get AQo UTG once every what, 800 hands or so? How many hands would you need to get a good EV measure here?

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Shoot, I think you have a point here.

Hmm... maybe if people told us the number of hands, then we could accumulate everyone's samples into a reasonable sample size...

Now that I think of it, that just might work.

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Could some people post their number of hands

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[DavidC]

Alright... firstly, here's the procedure for getting hte info.

go into your ring game stats in PT.

then hit the filter button

choose specific hands: AQo.

choose games between 10 and 10 players

Ghoose your position as exactly 7 off the button

(You could choose to repeat, going from 9 players to 9 players and 6 off the button... this would maybe show the EV changes as players increase on the table).

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22000 hands, only 5 AQo in UTG on a 10-handed table:

20% win, bb/hand is -0.85bb

9 hand tables:

8 hands, win 62%, bb/hand: +1.44bb

8 handed:

3 hands, 33% win, -1.25bb/hand

Alright... my idea of getting a reasonable sample size was a little too optimistic, I think. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]