Top Pair, everyone in to the river

Ryan11 · #1 12-02-2005, 05:18 AM

UTG: 53/25/3.07
Button: 44/7/0.82
BB: 29.8/8.17/1.53

I think I was terrible with this hand. What should I have done differently?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG raises, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (12 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 16 BB

imported_leader · #2 12-02-2005, 05:21 AM

I would just 3-bet the flop. That guys a psycho. I 3-bet here PF too

Ryan11 · #3 12-02-2005, 05:30 AM

I don't like 3betting since I'll be OOP the rest of the hand.

imported_leader · #4 12-02-2005, 05:37 AM

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I don't like 3betting since I'll be OOP the rest of the hand.

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KJs is a pretty powerful hand here. UTG is a loony and a fish just CC him. Plus you don't particularly want BB to get into this hand cheap.

#5 12-02-2005, 05:43 AM

I'd C/R the flop. He's not checking through. With your line I'd 3 bet and call a cap, then bet / call the turn and go to showdown unless it comes two back to me at some point. He's a semi-maniac, his range is big, and your hand is likely best. With two other players chasing along there's no concievable excuse: get more money in the pot.

Also, a note on the cost of being out of position and ramming for value: The problem with being out of position is that it basically forces us to make more mistakes in terms of the theory of poker, since we'll always have less information. We also have less options in the lines we can take, etc. Some of these "mistakes" we have to make, but there are others that we don't. Learning to play out of position is important (playing the button is often a cakewalk). You'll never do as well OOP as on the button, but (particularly against low-middlish opponents who don't do the utmost to abuse their position) the better you play the less of a value gap there is between the two.

cocofrite · #6 12-02-2005, 08:34 AM

This is an ideal spot for a checkraise, it traps button for value and chases the best of your opponents.
I don't like a cap for value pf with a hand that has no showdown value against a maniac.
The bets you'll gain postflop thanks to his overly aggressive style are more important (especially with the fish between you two).

#7 12-02-2005, 02:11 PM

He doesnt look like a maniac, just a huge lag

Spicymoose · #8 12-02-2005, 02:15 PM

Check raise the flop. Given that you didn't, 3-bet the flop. Given that you didn't, check raise the turn. Given that you didn't, check raise the river.

Other then that, perfectly played [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

Your hand is a monster here.