I have top pair, I call.

[chief444]

I'll usually check TP no kicker out of the blinds with so many opponents and such a coordiated flop. Maybe not as standard as I made it sound but not far from it for me. Is that bad?

[BottlesOf]

What does the coordination have to do with it? I would think it makes opponents more likely to call a bet as more draws are out there, and we collect money when we have the best hand. If they suck out, that's poker.

Is my thinking off?

[chief444]

[ QUOTE ]
What does the coordination have to do with it? I would think it makes opponents more likely to call a bet as more draws are out there, and we collect money when we have the best hand. If they suck out, that's poker.

[/ QUOTE ]
I think coordination has a lot to do with it. If the board were even more coordinated, say 9TQ two-toned I'd lean more towards check/fold. Although getting good odds I may still call. On a QJT single suited board I see this as an easy check/fold. Basically, more coordination lowers your equity here. Decent draws likely being out there combined with the fact that we're not really sure if our hand is best is a definite reason to go passive on the flop the way I see it.

[SA125]

Like I said in the Rory AJo post Joe - I think Tommyesque check-calling down will lose money in the long run unless you can find folds or worse hands that will call you. The only thing debateable is what's the long run?

[imported_stealthcow]

i might be alone here

but when it gets back to you on the flop, there are still 4 others in. i put your chances of having the best hand at this point around 1/2. the chances of your hand being the best on the river (assuming everyone stays in) is probably 1 in 3 or 4, unless you're against a lot of draws and 2nd, 3rd pairs.

so if this is true, shouldn't you c/r the flop and charge everyone else to draw? if you had 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] you would based on putting in money as a 1:2 shot and getting 1:4 on your money, and i dont see how this hand is much different

stealthcow-

[brettbrettr]

[ QUOTE ]
when it gets back to you on the flop, there are still 4 others in. i put your chances of having the best hand at this point around 1/2.

[/ QUOTE ]

c/r'ing the flop opens us up to a 3-bet which would be very, very bad. The reason I call in this spot is b/c I *might* have the best hand, there are redraws, which I won't fold by raising. I'd like to take a look at the turn--the card and the action--and go from there. Top pair no kicker in this spot doesn't fill me with a whole lot of confidence. Given the action I'm not folding top pair, but I don't think raising is going to do much for us either.

[Joe Tall]

[ QUOTE ]

c/r'ing the flop opens us up to a 3-bet which would be very, very bad. The reason I call in this spot is b/c I *might* have the best hand, there are redraws, which I won't fold by raising. I'd like to take a look at the turn--the card and the action--and go from there. Top pair no kicker in this spot doesn't fill me with a whole lot of confidence. Given the action I'm not folding top pair, but I don't think raising is going to do much for us either.

[/ QUOTE ]

I shouldn't reply to anyone with 'sadly Boston' in there location, but this is so spot on, it needs to be quoted. Well done!

[brettbrettr]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

c/r'ing the flop opens us up to a 3-bet which would be very, very bad. The reason I call in this spot is b/c I *might* have the best hand, there are redraws, which I won't fold by raising. I'd like to take a look at the turn--the card and the action--and go from there. Top pair no kicker in this spot doesn't fill me with a whole lot of confidence. Given the action I'm not folding top pair, but I don't think raising is going to do much for us either.

[/ QUOTE ]

I shouldn't reply to anyone with 'sadly Boston' in there location, but this is so spot on, it needs to be quoted. Well done!

[/ QUOTE ]

Now tell us you're not overcalling the river. And, please, continue with the "forum checks."

(FWIW, I'd have traded the 13 run 8th for the 60 BB's I dropped last night.)

[tpir90036]

This flop is almost coordinated enough where I think about check/folding. Given the way it went down though... I don't see what else you can do. Hopefully you were up against KT [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

[Toonces]

My hunch is to bet the flop, but honestly, I'm not sure what I do if I get raised. The way you played it, the limpers got cheap draws, and I have no idea if I'm ahead.