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Old 09-04-2005, 06:50 PM
milesdyson milesdyson is offline
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Default Re: El Rio

AJ/A9s/JJ/99/88 or thereabouts, or he tried to check raise the turn with TT. raise or fold the river in case BB has a T and can fold it + if utg could find a fold with an underpair.

it's more correct to fold, but i would really like to raise this type of player just for kicks.
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Old 09-04-2005, 06:50 PM
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I checked with outs, but I don't think it's certain that I'm drawing here.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (6.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero...

Here's your blank river, Pax. So are we best 1 time in 7 here? Do we fold a better hand from BB one time in 3?

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even if we are good 1/7times against UTG its should be clear we can't call here.

and we don't have enough of a hand to raise to prevent overcalls

easy fold, I hope you did
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Old 09-04-2005, 07:04 PM
istewart istewart is offline
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Default Re: El Rio

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I checked with outs, but I don't think it's certain that I'm drawing here.


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Unless you're putting UTG on Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or a variant AND the BB on no piece of the board you are definitely still drawing.
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Old 09-04-2005, 07:16 PM
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Default Re: El floppo

Grunching...

The pot's big enough for your gutshot, so you can't fold. As far as hand-protection, the A and the two-flush make it doubtful that raising will actually help you win the hand since your pair outs aren't overcards, and you have no club. Call.
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Old 09-04-2005, 07:22 PM
Xhad Xhad is offline
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Again, not reading other replies...

Take the free card. Even if UTG is/was bluffing, I have no idea what the big blind is going to cold call all the way to the turn and then suddenly fold. I'd rather try to hit one of my outs than try to protect a king-high.
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Old 09-04-2005, 07:30 PM
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River: (6.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero...

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I'm not sure what the question is here. What specific hands do you think UTG might play this way that you beat? QJs? K9s? I don't think we're good often enough here, and certainly not often enough with BB yet to act.
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Old 09-05-2005, 04:21 AM
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So do we walk into a check-raise with the nut no-pair

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This made me snert.
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Old 09-05-2005, 11:49 AM
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Default Re: El Rio

I don't have the HH around right now, but Hero folds, Villain shows KQo one club, BB shows a weak T and HHIG.

I actually thought that folding the river was the second mistake in the hand. In this particular case if I had trusted my reads, used my positon, and shown some aggression somewhere else in the hand, there's a good chance I could have dragged the pot. Good to know that's just being results-oriented.
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