OT: Excerpted by Citanul: Proving I'm not a bot

[jeffraider]

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Who would possibly dedicate so much time to poker as to play 3000 22 sngs at the same level without ever moving up?

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[protoverus]

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Who would possibly dedicate so much time to poker as to play 3000 22 sngs at the same level without ever moving up?

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I've done that many at the $11's.... So I'm either a bot or I suck. Makes me wish I was a bot.

[se2schul]

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...and confiscating the funds (about 15k).

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You can write a bot that can win you 15K, but you can't code it to click the little pop-ups or to cash out.

Oh well... time to start working on Juicy v2.0, eh??

[citanul]

I wanted to break out this part of this thread because I think that there's a lot of total freaking BS contained herein. Have fun ripping people to shreds who say stupid things in this part of this thread.

c

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For a moment, let's toss our emotions aside and take a good look at this situation.

If Party's allegations are true, then juicyv_gina has to be the most successful bot to date. The fact that it (a) won the weekly leaderboard several times and (b) showed tremendous monetary gain says a lot about the potential for bots to generate tremendous profits at low limit SNGs.

Has anyone logged a significant number of games with juicyv_gina? I'd be curious to see how the bot played in levels 1 and 2 of $22 SNGs. I know I played at least a dozen times with juicy... I'll have to pore over some hand histories myself.

[runner4life7]

if I remember right my roommate remembered seeing some potential donkish moves out of juicy early levels in the beginning of the month, which I would say is probably not what a bot would be programmed to do.

[Freudian]

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if I remember right my roommate remembered seeing some potential donkish moves out of juicy early levels in the beginning of the month, which I would say is probably not what a bot would be programmed to do.

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Any basic bot should enable the creator to take over, so an odd play or a single comment in the chat window doesn't eliminate it being a bot.

Anyway, that is not what is used to identify if someone is using a bot. Unrealistic hours, unrealistic responsetimes, not replying to popups etc are stronger indicators.

[citanul]

i'm not emotionally tied to the thread or the situation at all. i merely wanted to chop out this crap from the orignal thread, so that people who would not otherwise see the total lunacy contained herein might see it more easilly.

1) you have no idea if, if this is a bot, it is the most successful bot ever.
2) you should be able to start by looking over your own hand histories, shouldn't you?
3) to the person who says that there were some donkish moves, a) "donkish" really isn't strong enough to say anything at all, and b) how do you know what a bot would be programmed to do? perhaps it would be programmed to not just play push fold poker?

c

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i'm not emotionally tied to the thread or the situation at all. i merely wanted to chop out this crap from the orignal thread, so that people who would not otherwise see the total lunacy contained herein might see it more easilly.

1) you have no idea if, if this is a bot, it is the most successful bot ever.
2) you should be able to start by looking over your own hand histories, shouldn't you?
3) to the person who says that there were some donkish moves, a) "donkish" really isn't strong enough to say anything at all, and b) how do you know what a bot would be programmed to do? perhaps it would be programmed to not just play push fold poker?

c

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I'll try to address these 3 points:

- You're right that we have no idea if juicyv_gina is the best bot around... however, he's certainly the best out of all two of the bots this forum has witnessed (saabpo and juicyv_gina). That's beside the point... I want to get to the bottom of how a likely bot won 15K.

- I only had 5 hand histories with juicyv_gina, so I'm just looking to get more feedback. His play in the early levels is certainly interesting... he's shown an ability to limp, raise, fold, and even cold call preflop, unlike saabpo's method of pushing QQ+ in level 1 and getting progessively looser each level. See below:

***** Hand History for Game 3051270985 *****
30/60 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 17496995) - Thu Nov 17 18:42:31 EST 2005
Table Table 67923 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: spilly1000 (1030)
Seat 3: BILLFILLMAF1 (745)
Seat 4: juicyv_gina (775)
Seat 5: alexanderj1 (1020)
Seat 6: scottyboy727 (745)
Seat 7: drews51 (865)
Seat 8: chukcz (1480)
Seat 9: velimirovic (485)
Seat 10: F_Lindeman (855)
BILLFILLMAF1 posts small blind (15)
juicyv_gina posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to BILLFILLMAF1 [ 8h, 4d ]
alexanderj1 calls (30)
scottyboy727 calls (30)
drews51 folds.
chukcz folds.
velimirovic folds.
F_Lindeman folds.
spilly1000 raises (100) to 100
BILLFILLMAF1 folds.
juicyv_gina calls (70)
alexanderj1 folds.
scottyboy727 calls (70)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5s, 7s, Ks ]
juicyv_gina checks.
scottyboy727 checks.
spilly1000 bets (130)
juicyv_gina raises (675) to 675
juicyv_gina is all-In.
scottyboy727 folds.
spilly1000 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1150 with juicyv_gina
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1150
Board: [ 5s 7s Ks ]
spilly1000 balance 800, lost 230 (folded)
BILLFILLMAF1 balance 730, lost 15 (folded)
juicyv_gina balance 1150, bet 775, collected 1150, net +375
alexanderj1 balance 990, lost 30 (folded)
scottyboy727 balance 645, lost 100 (folded)
drews51 balance 865, didn't bet (folded)
chukcz balance 1480, didn't bet (folded)
velimirovic balance 485, didn't bet (folded)
F_Lindeman balance 855, didn't bet (folded)

- I can't really comment on any "donkish" moves, but I'd definitely like to see more hands involving juicyv_gina.

[citanul]

i see nothing interesting about this hand at all except that it would be very hard to program a bot to play a hand like that.