Have to lay this down?

#1 11-03-2005, 06:46 PM

No reads on any players, this was my 4th or 5th hand at the table.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button ($14)
SB ($8.35)
Hero ($3.60)
UTG ($2.60)
UTG+1 ($3.70)
MP1 ($6.85)
MP2 ($6.70)
MP3 ($3.75)
CO ($7.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.2, 2 folds, Button calls $0.20, SB calls $0.15, Hero calls $0.10.

Flop: ($0.80) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($0.80) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets $0.2, Hero calls $0.20, MP2 calls $0.20, Button raises to $1, SB calls $0.80, Hero calls $0.80, MP2 calls $0.80.

River: ($4.80) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets $5, Button calls $5, SB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $14.80

j0wlev · #2 11-03-2005, 06:48 PM

Pre-flop yes.

PoBoy321 · #3 11-03-2005, 06:53 PM

Pre-flop is fine, but that turn play disgusts me. Raise for shits sake. This is some of the most passive play I've ever seen.

amoeba · #4 11-03-2005, 06:53 PM

don't worry about the river.

worry more about your bad turn play. straights with that kind of board sucks. get your money in with the temporary nuts.

preflop call is meh. calling a minraise isn't too bad if villains aren't very aggressive.

yvesaint · #5 11-03-2005, 07:02 PM

YOU HAVE THE NUTS ON A 2-FLUSH DRAW BOARD POUND THE TURNNNNNN

#6 11-03-2005, 07:08 PM

ya, i was going to raise on the turn, but thought i would be tricky and hope a rag or black came up on the river. Guess the play obviously backfired on me. Mind you in hindsight, it probably didnt matter what I raised on the turn, MP2 would have called me, I'm almost certain. MP2 had Jd 10d and nailed the royal flush.

yvesaint · #7 11-03-2005, 07:12 PM

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Mind you in hindsight, it probably didnt matter what I raised on the turn, MP2 would have called me, I'm almost certain. MP2 had Jd 10d and nailed the royal flush.

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this is why you raise the turn

if you cant see why you need to rethink how poker works

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pokenum -h jd td - jc qs -- ad kd 9h th
Holdem Hi: 44 enumerated boards containing Ad Kd Th 9h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jd Td 9 20.45 33 75.00 2 4.55 0.227
Qs Jc 33 75.00 9 20.45 2 4.55 0.773

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look youre 75% chance to win on the turn

if you said he'll call your raise, raise as much as you can!! if you can get in your money as a 75% favorite, youre going to win money!

#8 11-03-2005, 07:33 PM

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Mind you in hindsight, it probably didnt matter what I raised on the turn, MP2 would have called me, I'm almost certain. MP2 had Jd 10d and nailed the royal flush.

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this is why you raise the turn

if you cant see why you need to rethink how poker works

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pokenum -h jd td - jc qs -- ad kd 9h th
Holdem Hi: 44 enumerated boards containing Ad Kd Th 9h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jd Td 9 20.45 33 75.00 2 4.55 0.227
Qs Jc 33 75.00 9 20.45 2 4.55 0.773

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look youre 75% chance to win on the turn

if you said he'll call your raise, raise as much as you can!! if you can get in your money as a 75% favorite, youre going to win money!

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ya again in hindsight, this is wonderful advice. Wish I would have done that. Next time for sure [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Where do you figure out those stats? Is there a site? or a program?

theblitz · #9 11-03-2005, 07:46 PM

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Is there a site? or a program?

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http://twodimes.net/poker/

theblitz · #10 11-03-2005, 07:51 PM

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YOU HAVE THE NUTS ON A 2-FLUSH DRAW BOARD POUND THE TURNNNNNN

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What about pushing?

With 2 flush draws out there he really would like to end the hand here. Against 2 flush draws he is only about 55% favourite so getting at one to fold would probably be +EV.