AK call down with turned tptk?

mr pink · #1 07-04-2005, 08:59 PM

villain is a 20/6/1.5 er, textbook tag - pretty ABC

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG+1 caps, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.40 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 bets, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.70 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

River: (9.70 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.70 BB

yes?

raise the turn? raise the river? just call down?

sekrah · #2 07-04-2005, 09:00 PM

Definently raise the turn.. I would have probably raised the flop too.

mr pink · #3 07-04-2005, 09:04 PM

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Definently raise the turn.. I would have probably raised the flop too.

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thanks. care to explain why you'd raise either?

edit: btw, raising the flop sucks.

Mike Gallo · #4 07-04-2005, 09:16 PM

raise the turn? raise the river? just call down?

From the way villian played it and your definition of him, he has either the same hand as you or KK or AA.

Most of the times he has you beat. I doubt he would play JJ or 10 10 this way or capping with any hand having a 7 or 44.

I like your line a lot.

KDawgCometh · #5 07-04-2005, 09:21 PM

I don't see anyplace where a raise would be smart. you are either beat badly on the turn, have the same hand, or way ahead and he caught up on the river.

mr pink · #6 07-04-2005, 09:21 PM

thanks mike,

just a sanity check here. villain rivered a set of queens, i thought maybe raising the turn was the better play. i'm -.39 bb/100 with AKo through my 1st 4k hands at 5/10. probably just variance but i'm losing with AQo too -.86 bb/100. i'm going through the hand histories now to find any where i might be spewing.

Mike Gallo · #7 07-04-2005, 09:25 PM

just a sanity check here. villain rivered a set of queens,

If you had raised the turn he would have could and then he would have check raised you on the river.

mr pink · #8 07-04-2005, 09:32 PM

i don't know if he's calling that turn raise that often but i see your point.

btw, me and joshuad are gonna be down the borgata on saturday the 23rd playing 6/12. hope to see you there. pm me if you can make it.

Derek132260 · #9 07-04-2005, 09:47 PM

Why call this flop? You're behind everything this villain would cap with except AK, you have no backdoor draws, and you may well be totally dominated (or completely dead) to AA or KK.

If you ARE going to play it, you're raising it - not calling. See where you are...if you're 3-bet, you're folding UI on the turn.

On the turn...this is something I'd like answered, and I haven't yet looked at the other posts, so I'll do that now.

mr pink · #10 07-04-2005, 09:53 PM

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Why call this flop? You're behind everything this villain would cap with except AK, you have no backdoor draws, and you may well be totally dominated (or completely dead) to AA or KK.

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i'm drawing pretty live against QQ and JJ, plus i'm tied with AK. it doesn't mean i'm committed to a showdown because i call a flop bet, and i'm getting 14.4 to 1 to see the turn.

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If you ARE going to play it, you're raising it - not calling. See where you are...if you're 3-bet, you're folding UI on the turn.

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i really don't like raising this flop at all. i'm probably folding on the turn UI either way, so why should i charge myself an extra BB to do it? seriously, what good does raising do for the rest of the hand?... i only have Ace high against a preflop capper.