Trouble with Crabs

CEE · #1 04-10-2005, 06:47 PM

This was a great, late night PP table. MP1 and MP3 were the only tight players at the table (both folded PF in this hand). Everyone else was LPP (emphasis on the PP... well... emphasis on the L too, everyone over 45% VPIP). Had already "free-carded" myself to several straights and was up 25BB in about 30 hands when I ran into 33 in MP.

Interested whether anyone would have folded PF, or any thoughts as to whether I should have folded to the three bet on turn (can't imagine that with pot of this size...)

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, SB raises, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (12 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, CO calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (11 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, CO calls, SB calls, BB folds, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls, CO calls, SB folds.

River: (22 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 25 BB

cold_cash · #2 04-10-2005, 07:02 PM

If you folded anywhere in this hand it would be the suckiest fold that ever sucked.

I think you played it okay. I might have capped the turn, depending.

Buck_65 · #3 04-10-2005, 07:31 PM

I know I'm capping this turn every time. I think I'd even raise the river if bet into, and folding anywhere is terrible.

scotty34 · #4 04-10-2005, 07:47 PM

See a doctor and he will get you a prescription for some cream. Should clear those crabs right up. And next time, wrap it up.

CEE · #5 04-12-2005, 08:52 AM

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I know I'm capping this turn every time. I think I'd even raise the river if bet into, and folding anywhere is terrible.

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Maybe I don't get it, but I don't see the cap on the turn. I have decent aggro stats: F 3.2 T 3.9 R 2.3

If I were heads up against one loosey sure... but there were two of 'em, and many hands that beat me: A5, 56, QQ, 44

Or some hands that don't beat me: Q2, Q4, Q3, 23, 24, 34, 22.

Maybe this is a pot-equity thing?

If it's a given that one of the two made their straight, I would have 9 outs to a non-nut full boat, and one to quads... 22% equity while I contribute 33% to the pot. So the equity is not there.

Guess it comes down to what pct of the time I think these two terrible players have cards that beat me. Sounds like my meter is set differently than others.

tor · #6 04-12-2005, 11:14 AM

*grunching*

I don't like this pf call because you're 8:1 to hit your set and you don't know what the people behind you will do.

turaho · #7 04-12-2005, 11:20 AM

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I don't like this pf call because you're 8:1 to hit your set and you don't know what the people behind you will do.

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On a passive table with two limpers in front of me, I'd limp a low pocket pair in MP every time.

zuluking · #8 04-12-2005, 11:23 AM

This is a no-brainer for capping the turn.

davelin · #9 04-12-2005, 11:31 AM

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I don't like this pf call because you're 8:1 to hit your set and you don't know what the people behind you will do.

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This is a VERY routine pre-flop call.

tor · #10 04-12-2005, 11:34 AM

Turaho, davelin, I don't understand why this is a no-brainer. Granted at this point, I'm only reading WLLH, but I don't see the odds. Can you kindly elaborate as to why?