Flop Bet Checkup

[shant]

Party 10/20 Full

Assume the reads here are the player in the SB is decent as far as tightness and aggression goes, and the players who limped are slightly looser and average as far as postflop aggression goes.

Hand 1:

Some folds, EP limp, more folds, CO limp, SB completes, I check in the BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 SB)</font>
SB checks, I bet

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Hand 2:

Some folds, MP limp, more folds, SB completes, I check in the BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 SB)</font>

SB checks, I bet

Thoughts?

[jason_t]

1. Standard.
2. I mix this up, but yeah a bet here some of the time is good.

do people often have that read on you? "decent TAG, sometimes bets a gutshot but BE CAUTIOUS BECAUSE HE MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING ELSE!" i would take the path that i consider the most immidiate +ev every time, and i'd say that if your oppos really are good enough to take advantage of your betting patterns on specific situations like this one, there's probably plenty of softer 10/20 tables.

[jason_t]

A bet on this flop will throw the other players off for the rest of this session. They get confused when you bet because your hand ranges are wider. If you see these players again and don't bet this flop omfg are they truly confused. Confusion leads to FTOP errors. Yay.

well, thing is, i think mixing it up is tremendously overrated and in most cases really just an excuse to ignore EV. the players that are aware of your capability to semibluff with a gutshot+overs on this board should also be aware of your mixed plays etc.

[silkyslim]

hand 1 i like. hand 2 can you explain? 2 overs, backdoor flush and gutshot. i heard that its 0 EV plus fold equity but i may be mistaken.

[jason_t]

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hand 2 can you explain? 2 overs, backdoor flush and gutshot. i heard that its 0 EV plus fold equity but i may be mistaken.

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Among other things, Shania.

[istewart]

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hand 1 i like. hand 2 can you explain? 2 overs, backdoor flush and gutshot. i heard that its 0 EV plus fold equity but i may be mistaken.

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[krimson]

I like both.

In hand 1 I would be slightly cautious since that 9, and the middle-ish coordination of the board is in the range of a lot of "slightly loose" pre-flop limps.

In hand 2, I think you take this down fairly often, and your hand is worth at least 6-8 outs if someone has a piece of the board.

The flop bet in hand 2 is great about 40% of the time.