.5/1 6max- Misplayed overcards?

Somekid · #1 07-07-2005, 04:07 PM

The button is a lag that I've seen raise the flop with draws (including gutshots w/ one overcard). When raised should I 3-bet or stop and go? I figured calling the flop was right followed by a turn lead? If anybody has a better line or advice on the rest of the hand it would be appreciated.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, CO raises, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, CO calls.

River: (9.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, CO calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

McGahee · #2 07-07-2005, 04:23 PM

I'd go the weak-tight route and check/call the turn.
Don't be paranoid about giving up the free card on the turn. First of all, you could use the free card without a pair OOP against 2 opponents. Secondly, it's unlikely that a LAG will take the free card anyway. Thirdly, you're going to get raised by some thinking LAGS, as that's a pretty transparent donkbet; and he's not going to fold a flush/straight draw. Why'd you bet the river?

@bsolute_luck · #3 07-07-2005, 04:27 PM

i'd probably check the river and call a bet from CO, but not UTG.

irishpint · #4 07-07-2005, 04:42 PM

would a flop c/r be out of line? the flop likely hit someone with either a J or 9 or the flush draw. if it gets checked through, that's in our favor, isn't it, since we have ace high? and if CO bets we raise, knock out UTG and scare him into thinking we have AA/KK and get free turn cards and river.

i just dont like how this went down with being raised on the flop and then leading the turn and river with nada.

McGahee · #5 07-07-2005, 04:50 PM

How are you getting free cards OOP?

deception5 · #6 07-07-2005, 04:51 PM

Interesting hand.

I like the idea of a flop check/raise if you're pretty sure the co will bet. If it got checked through I would definitely bet the turn and if UTG called 2 cold on the flop I would slow down.

gharp · #7 07-07-2005, 04:55 PM

I'm not sure why we're leading the turn here. Are you representing a 3 after your preflop raise?!

I'd be most likely to check/call the turn (good odds) then check/fold the river UI (esp with UTG behind us).

irishpint · #8 07-07-2005, 05:00 PM

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How are you getting free cards OOP?

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obviously we cannot be 100% sure of getting a free card. but if we c/r and check the turn, how often are we getting bet into, in your opinion? if we c/r the flop and get a free turn card 1/3 times we're saving bets.

kapw7 · #9 07-07-2005, 05:01 PM

Check-raising the flop as suggested by deception looks like the best play. Check-fold the turn

newfant · #10 07-07-2005, 05:02 PM

It's tough to play AK out of position when you miss the flop. Here's my analysis:

preflop raise = good
flop bet = good
call of check raise on the flop = I could fold here, but I would probably call to see the turn card. You have back door flush and overs.
turn = check, if CO or UTG bet I fold. If both check, then I put CO on a draw (hearts or QT or T8) and UTG on a donkey hand.
River = bad card if CO was on the straight draw. I would check and call one bet cold but not two.

I think you can find better spots to get your chips in in these low limit games than AK unimproved out of position. Slow down with the aggression on later streets if you're out of position, have only AK, and don't improve.