JTs Raise Concept

[Crveballin]

Is this miss applying the JTs raise concept seeing that I am in the BB or does it apply to all multi-handed pots?

Also, I missed a raise on the turn and river didnt I?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Button checks.

Turn: (6 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, Button folds.

River: (10 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks.

Final Pot: 10 BB

[einbert]

I think the raise preflop is fine given that the limpers are on average quite loose, but checking might be slightly better.

I would definitely have raised the turn, via the free showdown move.

[W. Deranged]

Notice that relative position gives you a perfect opportunity to take control of the hand on the turn. When SB bets into you, I'd raise. This will most likely get the pot heads-up, and SB could be stealing/betting a worse J/6/5, etc...

[hobbsmann]

I thinking raising the turn is best here. Also, your preflop raise is fine but I prefer to apply this concept when I have position.

[JinX11]

5 callers to me in BB with JTs - I raise this out of the BB about 100% of the time.

I would raise the turn to weed out overcalls behind you...I probably would check behind on the river.

[brettbrettr]

I like the turn call b/c SB could have easily missed a flop c/r. I think you have to bet the river though.

[W. Deranged]

I have to disagree on the turn call.

I think the amount hero gains by forcing other J's to fold and protecting his hand against overcards/draws outweighs the potential loss when he's behind. If villain missed a check-raise on the flop, he often will still not have a hand good enough to three-bet the turn, and will often check on the river. Hero can take the free showdown, while investing the same amount as a call down likely would have cost, while gaining tons more in protection value.

Seems a very clear-cut raise to me.

[brettbrettr]

Good point.

[Crveballin]

Yeah I agree with the turn raise. The thing I was worried about was my awful position in the hand and of course thats why I wanted to know about the preflop raise.

If SB 3-bets the turn what is my line on the river unimproved?

[brettbrettr]

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The thing I was worried about was my awful position in the hand

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Your position is actually perfect in this hand.

As for a three-bet from the SB, I might just fold right then and there.