Party 55, calling down with AK

[bennies]

1st hand of tourney, all comments are appreciated.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

MP1 (t1000)
MP2 (t1000)
MP3 (t1000)
CO (t1000)
Button (t1000)
SB (t1000)
Hero (t1000)
UTG (t1000)
UTG+1 (t1000)
UTG+2 (t1000)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls t15, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t40</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t95</font>, MP1 folds, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls t55.

Turn: (t265) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets t200</font>, Hero calls t200.

River: (t665) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets t690 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls t690 (All-In).

Final Pot: t2045

[EricW]

you must lead out on the turn.

[bennies]

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you must lead out on the turn.

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to make a flush draw pay? Or?

[EricW]

Well, to make a flush pay AND find out where you're at. By checking, if he's on a flush draw, you're giving him a free card and also by checking, you have no clue where you're at. The only thing that sucks about this hand is that it's unraised preflop which means there could be a lot of junk out there (ie a set)so it's really dangerous. However, I can't see you wishing for a more favorable turn situation where the flush draw isn't complete.

[bennies]

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Well, to make a flush pay AND find out where you're at.

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So I should bet on the turn and fold to a raise? This seems a bit weak to me.

[mlagoo]

the tough thing about this is, if you had put in a raise preflop, you could probably eliminate 33 from his range. on the other hand, i hate raising PF with AK here and building a big pot out of position.

i don't think i'm ever folding here, and I think it's possible that you induced a worse hand to bluff you, so I like it. i'd just be pissed that he felt the need to put it allin on the river.

[fnord_too]

Pop this pre flop with that many people in. Now way you want to be hitting a 5 way flop with a one pair type hand. Also, picking up the 75 in the pot already is not insignificant.

Edit - wow, I'm the only one who said fold at some point. This hand is trouble: a one pair hand OOP against someone who popped your bet with two people left having not acted. KQ is certainly possible, but so is 33. I really have a hard time putting villain on a hand here, but you are in a position to lose the most when behind and win the least when ahead. I think your best line is reraising the flop and folding to any further significant action, but that really is two of your choices combined.

[aaronk56]

Raise to 100 pre-flop even OP. Bet the flop, 2/3's of the pot. Swear loudly when he raises and you fold.

[fnord_too]

I've been thinking about this some more. First hand, getting there how you did, calling down isn't that bad. But I hate not raising preflop, and I hate calling down with one pair when 5 people saw the flop. But, there are only 3 ways for 33, 1 way for KK, 1 way for 77, and 6 ways for AA. Contrast that to 8 ways for KQ, 8 ways for KJ, 6 ways for AK (one of which you absolutely hate and 2 you only hate on the flop), lots of ways for two clubs and random pocket pairs. Meh, raise pre flop and make your life easier.

[bennies]

Thank you and all of the above for your thoughts. I'll wait some more before posting results.

About the preflop check, I raise here sometimes too. It is hard to find the right raise amount though, worst case scenario we get one caller and see a flop oop with an unmade hand and an already sizeable pot. Then what? Check/fold? Bet/fold? FPS check/push?

Well, don't answer that, luckily it's not always worst case scenario...