barfing @ 2k PL

[Yeti]

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What range of hands would you put on pandora..

AA, KK QQ, JJ, 7h8h, 66, 55

think of any others that are reasonable?

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lol, at 5/10, I would say his hand range is MUCH WIDER than that, any str8 draw, or any flush draw are possible.

I call flop and see a turn. A safe turn I probably call then if he pushes on river fold, or hopefully check down.

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10/20 is many, many, many times more aggressive than the 1k game. 5/10 is pretty tight and ABC. If you got similar action to this at the 1k you are crushed.

Your line is also pretty appalling.

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Aren't AA and KK extremely likely hands here?? How are they less likely than 55 or 66 or JJ. Yeti I really dont get this and I respect your opinion, please help me out here.

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Not to mention there is only one case of 55 and 66, 3 cases of JJ, but 6 each of AA and KK. I know AA and KK dont always limp here, but does 55 and 66? I know JJ doesnt always. AJ isnt in the discussion either?

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I guess basically we are saying that UTG has to put us on a likely 2 pair here so he is very likely to muck all 1 pair hands? Is that the issue?

[etizzle]

Well, he's gotta put us on two pair+ (or at least most would). And if he had AJ, wouldnt he just call the 200, because only better hands will call if he makes it 700 to go? so as UTG with AA or AJ, reraising is terrible as you wont get action from anything you beat. Much better to call and see what the turn brings, or fold outright.

SO that's the thought process behind the fact that he 'must' have us beat. On the other hand, its very unlikely as a 25/16 that he has JJ and limped (raising KJs from ep in the earlier hand), he doesnt have J5 or J6, and theres only one combo each of 55 and 66.

So looking at it one way, he 'must' have us beat (or a huge draw), but on the other hand he is highly unlikely to have us beat based on card combinations and his preflop tendencies. All this stuff makes it a tough decision IMO, and not as close as Yeti and Flawless say.

[BobboFitos]

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Well, he's gotta put us on two pair+ (or at least most would). And if he had AJ, wouldnt he just call the 200, because only better hands will call if he makes it 700 to go? so as UTG with AA or AJ, reraising is terrible as you wont get action from anything you beat. Much better to call and see what the turn brings, or fold outright.

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your analysis is good but it's not accounting for one thing. Human error.

The right way to play something and the way it's played often do not coincide, so it's still very possible (although less feasible then say 66; it's just something that should still in his hand range) he's going crazy with either AJ or AA.