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Old 11-12-2005, 04:42 PM
Sarge85 Sarge85 is offline
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The flop 3-bet is to clean up some outs correct?



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The three bet is much more for value, than any outs were going to clean up with a check raise, after the players behind have already put money in.

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Old 11-12-2005, 04:53 PM
SenecaJim SenecaJim is offline
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Definitely. I think this one is close 'cause can't count 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] as full outs. But, still +ev with 3 others in.
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Old 11-12-2005, 07:52 PM
Carmine Carmine is offline
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The flop 3-bet is to clean up some outs correct?



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The three bet is much more for value, than any outs were going to clean up with a check raise, after the players behind have already put money in.

Sarge[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

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I play much more 3/6 than 2/4 and realize 2/4 is much looser, but is a 3-bet really for value when we face the ep players with two more cold? Now if they are two big fish that's a different story.

The flop lead I like "in this case" because you list the CO as the more aggressive player so we are looking to trap players which worked. However I have done this often in the past and when it's the BB or EP player raising it really sucks to be isolated with a draw so it's always a risky proposition. Generally if the table is pasive I lead but with aggresive tags that will raise in big pots "to clean up outs" etc. I tend to check and hope.
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