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#1
10-31-2005, 12:48 PM
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underpair in big pot, bottom-pair pairs on turn
4/8 live. I'm running insanely good and am up like 100BB in 8hrs. lately my value bets on the river haven't been getting paid off (even in big pots) I raise T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in BB, 7 to the flop.
flop: K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I bet, everybody calls. Turn: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] what's the plan? 
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#2
10-31-2005, 12:49 PM
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Re: underpair in big raised pot, turn pairs bottom pair
check/fold
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#3
10-31-2005, 12:55 PM
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Re: underpair in big raised pot, turn pairs bottom pair
I just realized that I was the only response here. Sorry. I'll elaborate real quick on check/folding. Your hand is almost never good here with so many players.
You might not even be good on the flop. Sure, no one raised, but since you've been running so good, why would they raise a king when they are intimidated by you? On the turn, it really looks like someone just tripped up. Its hard to come up with 7 calling hands on the flop that don't contain at least one six. The best possible scenario is that you are up against 88, 33, AQ, 44, 55, AJ, and a flush draw. Thats a monster parlay. Also, I don't need to tell you that you only have two outs. Here's the worst part though. Even if you are ahead, and you aren't, you aren't going to get maximum value on the river. Why? "My opponents haven't been paying off my river bets" Also, there is the fact that the flush draw can still come in on the river, and someone will usually have it here.
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#4
10-31-2005, 12:55 PM
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Re: underpair in big raised pot, turn pairs bottom pair
I'm not sure I like your raise preflop. You won't often take this hand to the showdown and win without a set. Maybe you can raise for value (I'd let others comment on the value of this pf raise). Given the flop, I'd rather c/r and charge the field extra if I could pick a certain late position player who likes to bet often. If the flop gets checked through, you can bet the turn and charge the field double anyway (assuming you are ahead). Generally though, I'm not betting this dangerous flop, nor am I betting a non-ten turn.
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#5
10-31-2005, 12:56 PM
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Re: underpair in big pot, bottom-pair pairs on turn
Is it wrong to check the flop?
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#7
10-31-2005, 01:01 PM
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Re: underpair in big pot, bottom-pair pairs on turn
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Easy bet. Checking here is insanely wrong. Even though it is a small chance nobody has a K or 6, you still need to bet out, especially in these large pots. [/ QUOTE ] The pot would need to contain many more BB before this line of thinking begins to be correct.
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