3.5 bets cold to AKo

He's saying you can't be results oriented. He obviously didn't know they had aj and a7 preflop.

[afk]

This is probably one of the rare times I fold AKo preflop. We obviously don't have many hands on the loose-passive so we can't be sure of our read but we do know that he's not a maniac so far. I'd fold and pay very close attention to the hand, hoping I can see the capper's hand at showdown.

[shermn27]

I go ahead and fold here b/c I am out of position and not suited. AKs, I am loving all the extra money in the pot. Not suited, I'll just muck it and get their money when I have a bigger advantage.

Honestly though, I am not sure that calling or folding is a major mistake, so who cares.

[AdamL]

This is kinda best case, and you still don't have your share of the pot.

If I take TT or even JJ away from the LP-P it gets even worse for you. The LP-P basically has enormous equity in this hand.

Really goes to show the advantage of having a high PP rather than "overs" in a raise pot!

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,401,196 games 14.171 secs 169,444 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 44.1108 % [ 00.44 00.01 ] { AA-TT }
Hand 2: 22.5400 % [ 00.20 00.02 ] { AKo }
Hand 3: 15.4699 % [ 00.14 00.01 ] { AA-TT, AKs-ATs, KQs-KTs, QJs-QTs, JTs, AKo-ATo, KQo-KTo, QJo-QTo, JTo }
Hand 4: 17.8793 % [ 00.16 00.02 ] { AA-TT, AKs-ATs, KQs-KTs, AKo-AJo, KQo-KJo }

I think a big reason I'm folding is b/c I think LAPs range is AA-QQ

[DavidC]

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-We're probably behind, and judging from a passive player capping we could be way behind
-We're out of position
-We're almost certainly paying two bets to see the turn if we don't pair on the flop
-We can't really call down with Ace-high, but the action indicates that at least some of our cards are probably in other people's hands
-AKo isn't much of a multiway hand
-There's not much difference between cold-calling a cap from the SB and calling four cold

I'm thinking fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hmm... Alright, you get AKo, you raise UTG and get 4 bad, cold-callers and the bb. The dealer asks you if you'd like to switch for JTs. Do you do it?

Now I'm curious about the math between 3.5 and 4...
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1) First three raise. Pot is 1.5 + 2 + 3 + 4 = 10.5 sb.

It's folded to you on the button: You're asked to put in 4/14.5: 28%

It's folded to you on the SB: 3.5/14: 25%

Assuming all the other players would call, pot would be 1.5 + 12 = 13.5.

button: 4/17.5: 23%
SB: 3.5/17: 20%

Hm... I guess you're right. I think the larger the pot and the more numerous the opponents the more significant the difference becomes between 3.5 and 4. In the second scenario it was a 15%, which I think is rather significant.

[DavidC]

re: mw power of ako vs jts
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(Please note that this only shows equity, not EV, and keep in mind that we'ren ot going all-in preflop.)

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AKo vs 4x random: 32.303% (monte carlo: 1% complete)

JTs vs 4x random: 28.62% (same)

[Fishlips_Jones]

Fold


Fishlips

[aces_dad]

David, instead of 4 random, can you try 2 random from the bad players and at least one good PP J's or better from the passive botton capper?

I suspect even if the capper holds J/Q/K/A the same number of times, the possible domination of AKo will make it's equity over J10s less than you just mentioned.

[DavidC]

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[ QUOTE ]
if UTG and superLAG has Ax or Kx some of your cards are dead.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's probably the most significant reason to fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

Agreed.

When I was talking about ako/jts in multiway pots, that wasn't taken into consideration: in THIS pot, JTs is probably better than AKo, although 87s might be better than JTs.