WPT Championship Event hand

Paluka · #1 04-21-2005, 10:47 AM

35 minutes into the WPT Championship. Blinds are 50-100, and everyone has around 50k in chips. Two limpers, you limp with KQo, button limps. Now the big blind raises to 750, everybody calls. Five to the flop.
Flop Ks6d5c. Checked around.
Turn Qs. Check, check, limper bets 3500, now you raise to 10,000. Now the button goes all in. All fold to you.
Do you call or fold?

DireWolf · #2 04-21-2005, 11:15 AM

Fold. The only hand i can see you being ahead of here is 7s8s. I give him credit for a set of fives or sixes. The stacks are so deep here, you have to move on.

schwza · #3 04-21-2005, 12:14 PM

this is why i don't play KQo for a raise.

MLG · #4 04-21-2005, 12:17 PM

does the button have his starting 50k still? I can't really see KK/QQ here (limping the first time maybe, but just calling the 2nd time I highly doubt) so that gives you basically the 3rd nuts. This would be a pretty bad play by the button with a hand like 56s or K5s or something, but its the kind of bad play that inexperienced deep stack players make (pumping good but not great hands). If I respect the player enough that I believe he wont make that mistake I fold. If I don't its probably a call.

betgo · #5 04-21-2005, 12:38 PM

Fold to the preflop raise. I would call it with a pair or suited connector. Is this really from the WPT Championship? Three limpers for 100, a raise to 750, and everyone calls. This sounds like a $10 online MTT.

MLG · #6 04-21-2005, 02:43 PM

dude, they have 500BBs, if you play post flop well, its hard for anything you do preflop to hurt you that much, and they all at least think they play well post flop.

DireWolf · #7 04-21-2005, 02:45 PM

You don't think 55 or 66 would play this way.

MLG · #8 04-21-2005, 02:50 PM

I think its possible, although I think betting the flop would be better. I think its possible that he's overvaluing some weird 2 pair hand or that he picked up a flush draw to go with the straight draw. That's what makes it a tough decision.

On another note KQo really needs to bet this flop, like really.

schwza · #9 04-21-2005, 02:52 PM

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This would be a pretty bad play by the button with a hand like 56s or K5s or something

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JOOC, what do you do with one of these hands in that spot? call? fold? deep stack poker still eludes me.

betgo · #10 04-21-2005, 02:52 PM

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dude, they have 500BBs, if you play post flop well, its hard for anything you do preflop to hurt you that much, and they all at least think they play well post flop.

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Calling 7 1/2 BBs with KQs is a fish play, particularly with deep money. What kind of big hand are you going to make with KQo?

There can be reasons to call, but I am not impressed with 3 people limping in and then calling a big raise.