OESD vs LAG out of position

[ZootMurph]

This is a situation that comes up a lot where I don't know what to do... maybe you all can help me. Live game at an Atlantic City casino. My table image is aggressive. Right now, I probably seem tight because I haven't seen many hands recently. But I splashed around in a lot of unraised pots from late position earlier in the day.

Blinds $3-$6. I have about $1100, Villain has about $1000. Folded to Villain in CO, who raises to $25. This is pretty much standard for him to raise to $25 when folded to in later positions. It basically means he has 2 cards. Folded to me in BB with 65[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I call. 2 to the flop, $49 in pot after rake.

Flop is 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (the king and 7 are black, don't remember which one was which suit, but it isn't important here).

Before I continue, let me take you back about a half hour ago. Villain was down to about half his starting stack, $283 total. He was on the button. Raise from MP3 to $20, he calls, BB calls. Flop is KQTr. BB bets $20, MP3 calls, Villain raises allin. BB folds, MP3 calls. MP3 shows AJs, Villain Q5o. Turn 5, River Q.

So, if I bet here I know I will see a big reraise, and if I check I know I will see an overbet. I really don't know what the best line to take at this point. Any help would be appreciated.

[DJ Sensei]

Well, theres a very good chance he doesnt have a pair here, if he raises with any 2 (or at least a very wide range) in this situation. There are two lines you could take, depending on how you're feeling.

- lead out for half the pot, if he raises you push.
- check, call his big bet, probably stack him if you hit on the turn (or maybe pick up a flush draw, a 5 or 6 could be good too)

If you think he can fold a hand with no pair to a 3-bet push, you could take the first line. If not, the second line isnt terrible either, but you're likely to have to put in a lot of chips on a draw (which will get paid off if it hits)

[elus2]

stop playing in raised pots against a LAG with 6 high. 65s plays well in position against relatively passive opponents that will let you hit your draw cheap and will pay off when you do hit thereby justifying the implied odds.

[DJ Sensei]

Playing suited connectors isnt just about flopping draws. What if, in this case, the flop was K65r? Hero is going to stack AK or AA, barring an improbable counterfeit.

Maybe i like SC's too much, but i dont see any problem calling here. Any hand hero makes (other than the flush) will be rather well masked, and should pay off well.

[Saddlepoint]

This is a very tricky and interesting situation.

I lean towards leading an amount where he isn't committed when you push over his raise. And then, you know, push over his raise. If he likes to overbet, that might mean half the pot. You have nine and a half outs at least and maybe more if he hasn't paired, so you shouldn't be afraid of getting all your chips in as long as you leave him room to fold.

The other obvious line would be checking with the intention of calling or raising, but I don't like this for a few reasons. It could let him to shut you out with an overbet, and, if you check/raise, risks you getting shut out by a push. My favorite line is the one I mentioned above, and my second favorite is check/folding. Play your big pots against this guy when you're in position.

As for pre-flop: calling here isn't bad, but neither is folding. You have position on this guy at the table. That's going to be invaluable. So let him steal your blinds a lot, so you don't end up playing lots of pots oop.

PS - Why did you post this in small stakes?

[Mercman572]

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stop playing in raised pots against a LAG with 6 high. 65s plays well in position against relatively passive opponents that will let you hit your draw cheap and will pay off when you do hit thereby justifying the implied odds.

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I saw in HPFAP that the agression of players changes your starting hand rang, and as Elus mentioned you don't want to be playing SC's since it will cost you so much to draw and since villain is so laggy you won't always have the implied odds you think you do. PP's are a different story of course

[johnnybeef]

Well, I try to avoid playing pots with lags all together as I am slightly laggy (ok incrediblylaggy) and it usually ends up making either me or the other guy broke. I would probably fold this preflop to avoid making tough decisions when a flop like 47K pops up. That said if you feel that you absolutely must play this hand, I repop him unless he is a total maniac that will 3 bet with air.

[PinkSteel]

Caro's first rule of playing LAGs: Do less betting, and more calling.

You have nothing but your draw. Check, and evaluate your implied odds after he bets.

[elus2]

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Playing suited connectors isnt just about flopping draws. What if, in this case, the flop was K65r? Hero is going to stack AK or AA, barring an improbable counterfeit.

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villain's hand range is a lot wider than AK/AA. the number of flops containing 65x is a very tiny sample of the entire population of possible flops. it is just too easy for hero to make a mistake with his hand versus our villain. fold to save yourself the agony of having to make tough decisions.

[ajmargarine]

Count your chips out. Ask him how much he has. Smirk knowingly. Chuckle a bit. Pause. Throw in a dramatic "I'll just check to you bud." And then fold if he bets pot or over.