how good is your average winning 109er???

great post.......and long....but great and very informative and a picker uper.....i think im just gonna pull it through the 109s...i cant afford the 215s yet...i like to have 100x buyin for the stake im playing....and yes i do play 4-6 at a time...im going to give the 2tablin for a run.....i just won one as i was reading your post.....thx again....also...how long ago were you playing the 55s??....

[Michael C.]

I think sometimes it just takes a bit to adjust mentally to playing at higher stakes. I remember when I first moved from the 55s to the 109s and then when I added the 215s, I always felt intimidated at the new level at first, and couldn't play my normal game. I don't mean to imply that I'm anything that special or that the higher levels aren't tougher, but I think that once you relax and play your normal game, you will probably be fine. There are some good players in the 109s, but there are also enough bad ones there that if you have an open mind and read this forum you can beat it.

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Last year, I played about 500 215's over the course of 8 or 10 months with an ROI of about 15%. I then played about 50 where I got killed, brought me down to about 9%. Because of that, but mostly other reasons (bankroll, playing in casinos more, got busy with work, etc) I took a break for a while, probably 3 or 4 months.

A couple months ago, I started up again this time playing 55s with a new vigor and appreciation for the late pushing game, played about 400 with an ROI of 10% and found there as well that playing 1 or 2 at a time is just better for me. I decided to start up again with the 215s and have been rolling ever since, playing another 500 with an ROI of 15%. I only play 2 at a time, and try to play between 20-25 a day.

Those who multitable put a lot of emphasis on the fact that it increases hourly rate, and yes, that's what it's all about. But always keep in mind that the closer your advantage is to 0, the larger of a bankroll you need because your ROR increases as does your variance. I know a lot of 2+2ers would fall asleep from the boredom of playing only 2 at a time, but I think they'd be surprised at how much info is givcn away at the tables that they're missing.

I think a good way to tell if you're paying enough attention is if you're able to put a note on at least half of your opponents during the course of a game.
Yeah, sorry for the lengthy post before. I guess I'm compensating. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[tigerite]

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folding your first 30 hands, then going apeshit... wont cut it anymore.

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i always play everyhand and build a lot of my huge leads in the early levels..and in the later levels i always played it smart...not too many crazy maniac moves

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This is not a good strategy.

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folding your first 30 hands, then going apeshit... wont cut it anymore.

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i always play everyhand and build a lot of my huge leads in the early levels..and in the later levels i always played it smart...not too many crazy maniac moves

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This is not a good strategy.

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why isnt this a good strategy....in most cases im a huge favorite when i put my money into the pot when the blinds are low
please explain why you and others dont play hands in the early levels of play

[Melchiades]

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in most cases im a huge favorite when i put my money into the pot when the blinds are low

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Rigged.

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I'm with you effin. People undervalue the profitability of having 1500 or more by level 3, especially when you think about the fact that at every table, there are a few donks who are ready to give their money away, and if you don't get it, someone else will. Folding until the later levels and then pushbotting increases variance and takes away the poker aspect of the game.
One could argue that it increases your ITM finishes because of the reduced chance of early bust outs, but I would argue that it makes it even harder to get ITM because often 2 players at your table HAVE doubled up and they both now have decent chances to get 2 of the 3 ITM spots.
If anything, it decreases your chances of getting 1st.

[tigerite]

1500 by level 3 doesn't even make much difference compared to 1000, you aren't even close to 25% more likely to reach the money, so what's the point?

This has been discussed so many times before.

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Folding until the later levels and then pushbotting increases variance and takes away the poker aspect of the game.
One could argue that it increases your ITM finishes because of the reduced chance of early bust outs, but I would argue that it makes it even harder to get ITM because often 2 players at your table HAVE doubled up and they both now have decent chances to get 2 of the 3 ITM spots.
If anything, it decreases your chances of getting 1st.

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Utter crap.

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Folding until the later levels and then pushbotting increases variance and takes away the poker aspect of the game.
One could argue that it increases your ITM finishes because of the reduced chance of early bust outs, but I would argue that it makes it even harder to get ITM because often 2 players at your table HAVE doubled up and they both now have decent chances to get 2 of the 3 ITM spots.
If anything, it decreases your chances of getting 1st.

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Utter crap.

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how do you play...do you just fold and only play kk or aa until level 3or4.....and what stakes do you play for and whats ur roi at