Early position KQ, Party 15/30

[QuikSand]

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Fold preflop.

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Okay - maybe I just lack the standard issue 2+2 sarcasm detector here, but I'll assume this is serious.

Is the thinking here that KQo is usually good enough to open with in EP, but if UTG has already called, there's enough likelihood of being dominated that playing KQo becomes a -EV play? I don't think I've ever heard this advice -- but I suppose this hand helps to illustrate exactly why it might not be silly.

Or, maybe I'm just playing into the "if you're so dumb you don't understand this hand, maybe you shouldn't be playing at all" response. Beats me.

[Nightwish]

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As far as the "AQ would have raised" theory -- I guess I'm in a minority, then, that I do not usually raise with AQ when UTG, especially against a typically loose table, as this was. I probably limp more than half the time in that spot -- but I'll give mnore though to playing it aggressively there, and will be more aware of that possibility/probability against others.


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You should be raising it every time against loose players. Make them pay with their trash, because you very likely have the best hand.

[DeeJ]

Raise preflop. Big cards like fewer opponents.
Reraise flop to see if he has at least a Queen. Flush draws will stay in. Though nut flush draws may reraise. What cards are you hoping arrive at the turn? Your 5 (or 3? or 2?) outs?

On the turn you probably scared him by the raise 'cause you are very unlikly to be impressed by the 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], you had something worth slowplaying. Apparently. But you don't really have a strong hand, so your isolation raise removes what? A flush draw? nope? There's two flush draws out there. Maybe BB has an 8 or another pair <Q. But they will be folding to 1 bet anyway unless they play -EV which you like, right? I guess Qx may fold to a raise but call a single bet. But you want them in, right?

River you have to bet as he may fold a 2-pair or a flush draw rather than check behind.

[DeeJ]

KQ is a fold UTG+1 preflop if the table is tight and 10-handed.

I like KQo or KQs and often play it even UTG tho [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] and it mixes up my raising standards.

[Casinoexploits]

DeeJ,

That graphic is pure Ownage haha. You are NL player too I am assuming.

I agree with the advice that most of you guys gave here. If you're playing TAG good poker, KQo is either a raise or a fold DEPENDING upon the texture of the game.

I can't see why the 2+2 limped with AQo. He gives the LP players a chance to get in cheap and bust him with a set or a cheap two pair.

Have to protect your hands!

[Danielih]

I agree that the most reasonable hand for him to have preflop is probably QJs. You cant limp in EP with any of the other hands. Limping with AQ is not recommended for the reasons outlined above.

[billuhbong]

idk y there telling u to fold preflop, raise that

[girgy44]

Wow this is terrible. Two 2+2 players limp on in in early position, maybe I need to find a new site. I thought we were better than the fish. Also wtf are you trying to say here.
"Turn - My intent here was to isolate with UTG, and presumably get a cheap showdown. I figured I might be behind, but since I planned to call down, I'd try to get the two bets in now, and get to the end cheaply. He calls the raise, doesn't reraise, and the plan looks good until..."

So you get 2 BB in on the turn and you consider this seeing a showdown for free? This is so terrible it makes me sick. Calling down costs 2BB and GUARANTEES you a showdown. Your logic sucks. What if he bets the river? What if you get c/r ed. You are seeing a showdown for the most money possible. Don't mean to be so harsh, but it seems like you are trying to sound intelligent and try to make your line seem good, but you are so wrong. Now it actually is a decent line as he probably has a low pp, I dont know what other hand a 2+2er would limp with UTG, but NO.

[amulet]

i think KQo in early position has a negitave expectation. don't play it in a 10 person game. i would guess he is more likely to limp with 88 then AQ (but since he did not raise the turn i guess no 88). i raise on the flop making it 2 bets to the field (you can also wait to see if a heart falls on the turn before poping), but i think i raise on the flop. since you did not get reraised on the turn i think you do bet the river, unless you feel very strongly he has AQ. other then not limp with KQ early, i think the rest was ok.

[amulet]

the replys you received are scary. while a few were good many were bad information. you toss KQ in early position 10 handed. it had a neg exp. as for AQ in many games you should NOT raise UTG with 10 people. the idea of raising with KQo early will cost you a lot of $ and shows a total lack of understanding of the hands value. KQs you can raise with in many games, AQs is a raise in most games. but the raise, raise, raise ideas that are often presented here are scary. also if you have pokertracker, look at KQ in early position. one more thing QJo is a hand that is trash. no good player limps with it. in most games the only time to play QJo is if it is folded to you in late position and then if you play - you raise.