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Old 12-19-2005, 04:13 PM
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Default Re: $50 PLO8 hand

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A2s has an equity edge in LP against 5 callers

Not this A2s. It's getting a playable flop with positive expectation less than 10% of the time (and then just barely). And five callers are bad for your likely equity, not good….

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This is flat out wrong. A2 has better equity with more callers. And it’s ability to continue is higher than just about any other 2-card combo. And it is almost certainly higher than fair share equity barring weird hands taking your outs.

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I believe you're directly losing money by raising this preflop.

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Completely game dependent. There are definitely games where raising this preflop is profitable.

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You have a hand that's likely the best, and is still likely to be good on the turn.

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Any A,2,7,8,9,T,J or club makes a potentially better hand for high or low. Only 3,4,5,6,Q,K without clubs leave you in this position. So with multiple opponents who have something they can call with here, it’s unlikely your hand will still be as good.


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You have to start jamming the flop and making money from inferior hands at this point….This is NOT a hand to wait and see if the turn is a safe card. Your equity is unlikely to increase past its current point with another card. This is very different to say top set

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Agree

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Old 12-19-2005, 11:38 PM
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Default Re: $50 PLO8 hand

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You have a hand that's likely the best, and is still likely to be good on the turn.

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Any A,2,7,8,9,T,J or club makes a potentially better hand for high or low. Only 3,4,5,6,Q,K without clubs leave you in this position.

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That's just monster think. I agree the hand is vulnerable, but the only killer cards are A,2, maybe a ten, or a club. The others are a matter of probability, and more often than not a 7,8,9 won't give a full house, and a J or T won't give a higher straight. The only way all those cards are dangerous is if someone has a set or top two, another has bottom two, AND another has QJ, AND yet another has QT. So on the balance of probabilities, if your hand is good already, it's still very likely to be good on the turn.
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