$33 vs. $22 on Party

[runner4life7]

ive been playing both the 22s and the 33s, if you are beating the 22s easily i think you shouldnt have much of a problem with the 33s.

[ilya]

The $33s are disproportionately difficult IMO. There is a substantial increase in average skill over the $22s. Fewer people will give you their stack early, and your bubble opponents will be more competent.

I am new to 2+2 and have learned a lot. I just started playing 22's on my laptop. Started with 3 tables and now 9 tabling with the new beta. I have played 357 the last few days and my ROI is 20.45 so far with ITM 38.66 and 123 look like 49 50 39. My question is if i start 10 tabling on 2 monitors and play all day could I play 4000 in one month? I know 357 is not enough, but I have already had a few crazy streaks, good and bad. It just seems to good to be true the money that can be made at these SNG's, is it?

[Bluff Daddy]

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I am new to 2+2 and have learned a lot. I just started playing 22's on my laptop. Started with 3 tables and now 9 tabling with the new beta. I have played 357 the last few days and my ROI is 20.45 so far with ITM 38.66 and 123 look like 49 50 39. My question is if i start 10 tabling on 2 monitors and play all day could I play 4000 in one month? I know 357 is not enough, but I have already had a few crazy streaks, good and bad. It just seems to good to be true the money that can be made at these SNG's, is it?

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you would die before you played 4000 sng's in a month

[fluorescenthippo]

i only have a slightly higher hourly rate at the 33s. but they will certainly help you more if you ever want to play the 55s.

[runner4life7]

like he said thats just a ton of games to play. I dream of playing 3000 games in a month but i think i will finally break 1000 for the first month this month, which is sad considering I 10 table. But if you truly have the discipline(sp) to play even 3000 a day I believe at the 30s 15k is doable. Just dont go crazy and kill yourself [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[bones]

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I am a player who had a very high ROI in $20+2 but am just barely better than even in my first 25 or so $30+3.

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25? That's not small, that's miniscule.

That aside, the 33s are more difficult than 22s obviously, but they're great preparation for the 55s. If you're looking for short-term earn, I'd suggest the 22s. But if you want to make money at poker, you're going to need to learn to beat bigger games. Play the 33s if you have the roll. Move down if you have to, but they aren't THAT much tougher.

I was in exactly the same spot a month or so ago before I cashed out a large chunk of my BR. I kept moving up and getting killed, it happened 3 or 4 times and really dented my confidence but I kept at it and it worked out eventually.

There's definitely a difference but I eventually went on a massive heater and ended up recouping my losses and hitting something like 30% ROI. If you're a good enough player it'll sort itself out and you'll be fine.

[Insty]

If you'd been on a heater and been at 50% ROI after 25 would you have posted that too?

I think the $33s are more hard than the $22s than a lot of people claim. Maybe they are used to playing even higher limits where it is even harder. I found the jump from 11 to 22 to be much easier, in that the skill difference between the 11's and 22's is not as great as that between the 22's and 33's.

It seems to depend a lot on when you play. If you hit the sweet spot there are a ton of really bad players, if you don't, there are ton of good players and it is not uncommon to find a SNG where 8 or 9 of the 10 people are quite good. At the 22's you'll get 4 or 5 bad players whatever time you play.

My ROI at the 33's is currently 10 points less than my ROI at the 22's. Which makes the 22's theoretically more profitable for me. But I've got the bankroll, and I want to get better, so I'm going to keep grinding out the $33s and eventually I might win my fair share of showdowns..

You're not the only one having this problem. Just keep at it.
Chiaroscuro's message gives me hope.

The reason I posted this last night was not only because my ROI has not been as good as it was on $22s, but because, when I got to the bubble, I felt like the play was significantly higher. In $22s, I feel as though I have so many opportunities where I can decide to push all in and use FE to my advantage. What I found really different is that the other players in $33s understand bubble play and I found the opportunity to push all-in very rare because it was always happening (correctly) in front of me. Does anyone else notice this specifically about bubble play in $33s?