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Old 11-04-2005, 09:43 AM
Boolean Boolean is offline
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Default Re: Ultimate spreading Royal Holdem, but only limit

Sigh, I guess I'm going to spoil the beans on how to really play this game. Pretty much, my starting hands consist of AA, KK, AK, KQ, and QQ. That's it. Suitedness has no effect as royals are so rare. It's of course a 20-card deck so your outs are like so:

After the flop:
1/15 = 1:14
2/15 = 1:7
3/15 = 1:4
4/15 = 1:2.75
5/15 = 1:2

After the turn:
1/14 = 1:13
2/14 = 6:1
3/14 = 3.7:1
4/14 = 2:5:1

Flopping a straight is an automuck in a full-table game. You are at best tied by the river. Bottom set is also pretty dangerous. Case in point:

You have JJ
flop shows KQJ
You lose to KQ and QQ (albeit unlikely) if a Q or a K comes, and even if you aren't behind them, an AK or KQ can also pick up an Ace or King on the river. Your best shot here is to have runner-runner Tens. The only hands that would beat you then are the other pocket pairs KK and QQ.

Middle set can be quite profitable if you know how to play it however. Case in point:

You have QQ, the flop shows KQT
If the board pairs the ten, you likely have the best hand unless you're up against KK. It's a very good way of getting a decent pot, and I play QQ for just this reason. If the K pairs however, you're losing to KT, KQ, and KJ and AK if they improve on the river.

Top set and top two pair is what you should shoot for. With top two pair you have 4 outs twice (provided there are no royal draws and you don't run into quads), or (4/15)+(4/14)=55% which means you're a favorite from the flop. Bet/raise/cap. Top set, likewise. Unless you run into quads or the board shows a straight, you will win.

Anywho, I know this is formatted pretty ugly, but I hope ya'll enjoy anyhow.

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Old 11-04-2005, 04:51 PM
GrannyMae GrannyMae is offline
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Default Re: Ultimate spreading Royal Holdem, but only limit

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Old 11-06-2005, 02:37 AM
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Default Re: Ultimate spreading Royal Holdem, but only limit

Why would you play KQ but not AQ?

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Sigh, I guess I'm going to spoil the beans on how to really play this game. Pretty much, my starting hands consist of AA, KK, AK, KQ, and QQ. That's it. Suitedness has no effect as royals are so rare. It's of course a 20-card deck so your outs are like so:

After the flop:
1/15 = 1:14
2/15 = 1:7
3/15 = 1:4
4/15 = 1:2.75
5/15 = 1:2

After the turn:
1/14 = 1:13
2/14 = 6:1
3/14 = 3.7:1
4/14 = 2:5:1

Flopping a straight is an automuck in a full-table game. You are at best tied by the river. Bottom set is also pretty dangerous. Case in point:

You have JJ
flop shows KQJ
You lose to KQ and QQ (albeit unlikely) if a Q or a K comes, and even if you aren't behind them, an AK or KQ can also pick up an Ace or King on the river. Your best shot here is to have runner-runner Tens. The only hands that would beat you then are the other pocket pairs KK and QQ.

Middle set can be quite profitable if you know how to play it however. Case in point:

You have QQ, the flop shows KQT
If the board pairs the ten, you likely have the best hand unless you're up against KK. It's a very good way of getting a decent pot, and I play QQ for just this reason. If the K pairs however, you're losing to KT, KQ, and KJ and AK if they improve on the river.

Top set and top two pair is what you should shoot for. With top two pair you have 4 outs twice (provided there are no royal draws and you don't run into quads), or (4/15)+(4/14)=55% which means you're a favorite from the flop. Bet/raise/cap. Top set, likewise. Unless you run into quads or the board shows a straight, you will win.

Anywho, I know this is formatted pretty ugly, but I hope ya'll enjoy anyhow.

-Boolean

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Old 11-06-2005, 03:57 AM
jwesty5 jwesty5 is offline
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Why would you play KQ but not AQ?

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He might not because the K can slip in there and give a higher full house. FWIW I think AQ is definitely a playable hand along with the others mentioned. Basically anything with a Ten or a Jack in it is unplayable for me.
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Old 11-06-2005, 12:19 PM
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Default Re: Ultimate spreading Royal Holdem, but only limit

I'd definately play both AQ and KQ, I just forgot to include it as I was pretty tired. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-04-2005, 09:50 AM
Obliky Obliky is offline
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any other nuggets like this? or is it only AA flopped set that results in a situation /rule like this?

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Thinking this through a bit more, when you have a set you can not lose to a straight (for the reasons stated in my previous post) as the board will always pair or make the nut straight (which is the only straight you can make in this game btw). The great advantage to having AAA is that you cannot lose to a higher full house, which is obviously your greatest concern if you flop a lower set.

I guess that when you flop a set you actually have either a straight or a full house... as its impossible to get to a showdown and just have a set.

The same also applies to trips..you will always make a str8 or full house by the river.

Also, the odds of flopping a set are 2.5:1, and the odds of making a set by the river are 1.2:1
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Old 11-04-2005, 10:22 AM
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Judging from the table chat, players are stumbling into the game not realizing the premise. I suspect we're in for a spate of "UB is rigged" posts.
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Old 11-04-2005, 10:24 AM
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I just got reported for cheating because apparently I knew what was coming [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

Lori
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Old 11-04-2005, 10:35 AM
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Default Re: Ultimate spreading Royal Holdem, but only limit

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I just got reported for cheating because apparently I knew what was coming [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

Lori

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By somebody with a straight?
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Old 11-04-2005, 05:18 PM
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Default Re: Ultimate spreading Royal Holdem, but only limit

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Judging from the table chat, players are stumbling into the game not realizing the premise. I suspect we're in for a spate of "UB is rigged" posts.

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I was thinking the same thing. There have GOT to be people playing this game that don't realize that it's Royal.

"Look at this hand history! What a run of cards!"
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