I'm even more retarded than these people

[kevkev60614]

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No I think he is thinking (maybe) he made a good lay down since his straight would have lost to the rivered boat.

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Actually, I was thinking I made a terrible laydown on the flop because of the pot odds. I don't know why I included the turn and river. I just need more practice with calculating odds.

My biggest problem (I think) is that I'm folding too much on the flop. The books I've read (someone told me to unlearn a lot of that crap, thank you) tell me to usually lay down two overcards on the flop because the odds aren't up to it. But with 5 people every hand guaranteed to the river, I should be calling a lot more. But I have a problem with getting that through my skull, having learned that the 2nd best hand is the ticket to big losses.

BTW GregJ, you're absolutely right. She's doing much better than I am by being more passive.

[kevkev60614]

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Could you please explain the structure of the game you are playing again, because this influences the types of hands that you should be playing.

Do you mean that for all 4 betting rounds that you can bet/raise by $1 or $2? And how many times can a bet be raised on the same round before it is capped?

For example could player 1 bet $1, player 2 then raise to $3, player 3 raise to $4 etc....

And does the bet size double on the turn and river or not?

It sounds like you are playing some kind of spread betting game, but I am unclear as to the house rules being used.

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Actually, I think you've got the rules precisely right. There's one blind of $1, and it's capped at three raises. But people can bet/raise either $1 or $2, and it doesn't double after the flop. So betting can be capped anywhere from $4 - $7 preflop (cuz of the $1 blind) and $4 - $8 postflop till the river. The fact that it doesn't double for the turn and river should keep more players in the game, but try telling that to guys like me.

This is at the Palm Beach Kennel Club, for the record.

[topspin]

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You have 4 outs that give you the nut straight, plus your overcard outs. You're getting 1:11 from the pot. Based on just your 4 outs alone you can call.

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It's not clear that he has a full four outer here, he has to discount for the times that he's drawing dead or hits and is still outdrawn. So you can't just call on the possible four outer alone. However the partial outs combined with great implied odds in a multiway pot make this a call.

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The fact that he wins some of the time when he pairs one of his overcards more than balances the likelihood that someone has JT on the flop. This isn't a borderline call justified by implied odds, this is a clear call, especially with the implieds that you mention.

[nomadtla]

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That day I'd played so few hands I really thought they'd jump out if I kept at it.

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They're not really paying attention to how you play. Yes they may make jokes about how tight you play but they obviously aren't equating that with how it affects their hands. (BTW this is AWESOME) You don't mind if their not paying attention to your play. You don't want them to. But it means you can't pull a bluff, you have to wait (the hardest part) till you have solid hands and value bet them all the way to the bank. It sounds like a great game, you just need to learn that in the micros trickiness, deception, and relying on your opponent to think about what you may have dosen't work. But you're in the right place these guys know what their talking about (more than me) keep comming here and listening.
Even if you don't go online (which I think you should for many reasons, which have allready been said by others). Look at the online hands people post and respond to them about how you'd act (before you look at other people's responses). Then listen to the other responses and think about why they would act this way and how it agrees/disagrees with how you would act. Plus when you post responses to others hands (asside from learning by being corrected or congradulated) you will learn by thinking it through in a less presure enviroment, and sometimes even give the experienced posters new ways to think of it. Then someday you'll be an experienced poster yourself. And can tell a new poster all these things you've learned from this post and on.
The future looks bright man, but it's hard work.

Keep floppin da nuts

[Bodhi]

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My frustration is compounded by the fact that my wife is up about $250 over the 20 hours she’s come with me. I taught her how to play, and I know for a fact her preflop play is nearly identical to mine.

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It's all varience dude. 750 hands is nothing.

[Malcom Reynolds]

Yes, agreed.

[DavidC]

Hey dude, try clocking it to see if you really get in 30 hands per hour at a casino.

This is really quick compared to my experience in other casinos.

[AmarilloJim1]

I don't have the time to read all the responses right now; however, just real quick, when you miss the flop with AK, you're on a weak draw, and as such, it is very risky betting into 5+ players that will never fold. You can save a lot of $ in this hand. It takes a certain style of play to profit from loose passive players...