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#11
12-12-2005, 02:30 PM
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Re: Folding the river, (censorsed)
He's exactly right. You raised the flop and bet the turn. You were as aggressive as possible on those streets. The only questionable play in the hand is whether to call or not on the river. He's just as likely to have a missed flush draw as he is a straight. I think it's a bad fold unless you are *very* sure he wouldn't lie.
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#12
12-12-2005, 05:25 PM
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Re: Folding the river, (censorsed)
He made the straight. The extra bit of information seals it. "Give it to Paulie" could be a bluff. When he adds: "Straight." and its the type of game you describe this would be over the top. "Give it to Paulie" could be a bluff. But "straight" sounds legit to me since he's putting himself on the limb. If you call and he's lying, he looks foolish. But if he's telling the truth and you call, he gains face. But call anyway. Make a joke about it that you gotta see it or that you saw him bluff once. Or if it's a really friendly game, do a Mike Caro thing and raise him and put it down to advertising. Pot odds.
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#13
12-12-2005, 05:48 PM
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Re: Folding the river, (censorsed)
[ QUOTE ]
I'm getting about 12-1 to call. [/ QUOTE ] Tex - Well... 14 to 1, but the difference between 12 to 1 and 14 to 1 is not a big deal. [ QUOTE ] I think my hand is good here like, 1 in 20. [/ QUOTE ] You can only beat a <font color="red">BLUFF</font>! But this is one of those situations where Button should often bluff if he missed his draw. What I'm saying is a bluff here would be a good play by Button if he read you for top two pair or a set, realized that you had missed improving on the river, and thought you'd fold to a bet. And what I'm saying is that a bluff here by a good player, or even a poor but aggressive player is very common in this sort of situation. People don't bluff as often as in Texas hold 'em but they still do sometimes bluff. Omaha-8 is still poker! Buzz
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#14
12-12-2005, 06:11 PM
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Re: Folding the river, (censorsed)
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He made the straight. The extra bit of information seals it. [/ QUOTE ] Wolf - I agree. [ QUOTE ] .... since he's putting himself on the limb [/ QUOTE ] Yes. In this type of game Button looses the respect of his comrades if he gets caught lying. The risk is too much greater than the possible reward of several hundred dollars. [ QUOTE ] But call anyway. [/ QUOTE ] I'm torn. I want to call here too. But after Button does what everybody in the game thinks is a gentlemanly thing, calling is awkward. When I first read Tex's post, I tried to think of something to say to soften the awkwardness of a call, but I couldn't think of anything appropriate. However, the pot odds certainly do merit a call. In a normal casino game this is a "must call" situation or they'll pick you blind. Buzz
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#15
12-12-2005, 09:20 PM
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Re: Folding the river, (censorsed)
It's funny that you say that, because, I found myself bluffing at a few pots yesterday on the river. Hard to do in this game, and you really need position to do it. I suppose that if there was one bet I needed to call here, it was a bet on the river by the button. I still think it's very neutral EV in the long run when a fairly passive player cold calls and then finally springs to life. It's funny, because, online, I call all day and twice on sunday in that spot.
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