Pushing Jacks Preflop

[ajmargarine]

.50/$1 NLHE 6-handed

UTG ($95)
Hero ($105)
CO ($150)
BB ($12)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $4.50, CO calls $4.50, 2 folds, BB pushes all in for $12 total, UTG calls $11, Hero pushes all-in for $105.

Standard or overboard (or you can't play post-flop so probably a good move for you, aj)?

[beset7]

i'd just call and take a flop or raise the pot. UTG has a whole stack that would like nice over on your side of the table.

[EMcWilliams]

I also probably just call and take a flop, or wouldnt push, but would place in a healthy raise.

[jzpiano14]

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I also probably just call and take a flop, or wouldnt push, but would place in a healthy raise.

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Which leaves u pretty much pot comitted....why put urself in the position to make a mistake post flop

There is a concept that has been discussed in this thread that I have a bit of trouble understanding.

It is that one of the reasons to push is that you dont want to make a mistake if an overcard comes on the flop. Is this reasonable because you expect AQ type hands to fold? Do you think any of the villains in this hand hold AQ and will fold? Will they call holding AK?

I would just like this line of reasoning explained. Thanks.

[PokerFink]

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It is that one of the reasons to push is that you dont want to make a mistake if an overcard comes on the flop. Is this reasonable because you expect AQ type hands to fold? Do you think any of the villains in this hand hold AQ and will fold? Will they call holding AK?

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The idea is that if the flop comes, say, K95 you're in a bad spot. You're (potentially) out of position, in a fairly big pot, and you don't know if you have the best hand.

If you check, you risk letting your opponent take the pot away from you by betting a worse hand. If you check and your opponent holds TT, well, that flop looks pretty good to your opponent - he will bet it.

If you bet, you risk running into a king.

By pushing preflop, you remove any chance of being outplayed or misplaying your hand postflop. You don't have to worry about falling into these tricky situations.

[zaphod]

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Standard or overboard (or you can't play post-flop so probably a good move for you, aj)?

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Not standard for me. I guess you must have some reads to make this play?
Care to comment on your reasons for making this move?

[Malachii]

Nice. I like it.

[orange]

I like it. Nice isolation play. Are you doing the same with AK?

[ajmargarine]

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I like it. Nice isolation play. Are you doing the same with AK?

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Well, I PFR'd, so I'd probably do this with whatever hand I had there. Including the bottom of the barrel AT/KQ type hands. Think of the metagame implications. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

UTG and CO have shown their strength. Which isn't much. I've shown my strength, which is huuuuge. They should fold most everything they were just calling with initially.