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Old 12-06-2005, 12:46 PM
the machine the machine is offline
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Default easy kk fold??? 3 to 1 on my money

foxwoods 1-2 nl

i just started to go on a little rush and for some reason i knew my cards before i looked.

relative stacks
utg 152
mp3 550
hero 227

hero is bb, played tight all night folded mostly
utg seems like a rational player but nothing spectacular
mp3 is a calling station who is just waiting to go bust

utg raises to 12
folds to mp3 who donks it to 25
folds to hero with kk who makes it 75
utg thinks and think and pushes for 152
mp3 pushes for 550
hero has 152 to call into 450

now i know i have mp3 beat but for some reson i figured utg for aa before i looked at my cards and i seriosuly said in my head please dont give me kk. but i had it and knew i had mp3 rocked. so with 152 if i call all my chips 75 goes into the main pot then 75 in the side so if i win the side i break even.... pointless even if im ahead its a losing situation for me because best i can do is break even for the side. #2 for the main pot i figure if utg has aa then im 3.8 to one if mp3 has underpair to my kk. 4 to 1 if he has ax which is what i thought he may push with being a huge donkey. so im getting 3 to 1 on the call. even if you think you are behind do you call this....
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Old 12-06-2005, 12:50 PM
wdeadwyler wdeadwyler is offline
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Default Re: easy kk fold??? 3 to 1 on my money

Playing 1-2NL and getting the odds you have I cant see how you can fold here though I agree it looks like you are against AA here a good bit of the time. Call, I cant see you lay down KK getting that price.

Furthermore, if your reads are right then you are a big favorite to win the sidepot and you can always suck out the main pot (or be ahead)


If you never folded KK preflop until like 400-600 NL you would be making +EV decision. Dont worry about it, even experts lose their stack with KK vs AA
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Old 12-06-2005, 12:52 PM
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Default Re: easy kk fold??? 3 to 1 on my money

utg raises to 12
folds to mp3 who donks it to 25
folds to hero with kk who makes it 100

That's the only difference, either way, get your money in the middle!
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Old 12-06-2005, 01:27 PM
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Default Re: easy kk fold??? 3 to 1 on my money

with the utg raise i swear i said this guy has aa, even before any other action... something just told me he had aces and i thought to myself i usually get a cooler about now.... please please dont let me see kings and i did. just a gut feeling i had and with his stack 100 pot sticks me here. 75 allows me to get off the hand.
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Old 12-06-2005, 01:34 PM
wdeadwyler wdeadwyler is offline
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Default Re: easy kk fold??? 3 to 1 on my money

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with the utg raise i swear i said this guy has aa, even before any other action... something just told me he had aces and i thought to myself i usually get a cooler about now.... please please dont let me see kings and i did. just a gut feeling i had and with his stack 100 pot sticks me here. 75 allows me to get off the hand.

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STOP. STOP NOW. NEVER CONSIDER FOLDING KK AGAIN UNTIL YOU GET TO 600NL. JUST STOP THIS CRAP. STOP.
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Old 12-06-2005, 01:43 PM
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Default Re: easy kk fold??? 3 to 1 on my money

Easiest call in the world. Especially since hero is certian to be ahead of MP1. So, at worst, UTG wins the ~$450 main pot and hero wins the $150 side pot. Hero is -$75 if UTG has AA and + ~$400 against everything else.

edit - misread hero's stack size as $450 in my original answer.
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Old 12-06-2005, 01:57 PM
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not an option.
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Old 12-06-2005, 03:22 PM
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Default Re: easy kk fold??? 3 to 1 on my money

i show kings and fold, utg shows aa mp3 shows jj. when you know youre beat, you know youre beat, so dont tell me to stop, its not crap it was a perfect read.
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Old 12-06-2005, 03:25 PM
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bad fold.

Wouldn't you be mad if he had KK or QQ instead of AA, both of which are reasonable hands.

Gut feelings don't work too well at low stakes.
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Old 12-06-2005, 03:40 PM
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Default Re: easy kk fold??? 3 to 1 on my money

if you have a solid read, you have a solid read most likely he won't have KK, since then all the kings would be out. And also, since he is a decent player, he won't go all-in w/ QQ. The only hand left is AA. Good read, and good fold.
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