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08-23-2005, 11:50 PM
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Chapter 1
I have been working on increasing my vpip in the 30 game.
Most of this really has to do with 3 betting really aggro players, adding hands on the button, completing small blind more... standard stuff. Anyway, I started reviewing HPFAP etc. and I have decided that the suggestions aren't real effective in the 30 game. The theory is there, its just not written out. I.E. QJs utg etc. I have also noticed that the preflop standards of the regulars on the board do vary quite a bit. So, I think we should create a High stakes starting hand guideline. Noting exact, but just some kind of reccomendation. This should get our vpip around 16.5%. We are assuming whomever is using this guideline is and expert player, and thus will play properly postflop. So, here is what I have thrown together thus far. Alot of this is just kinda off hand, so, help me edit this, and together we should be able to create something that helps us all improve our game. Hopefully this is just a skeleton starting point, and through revision we can make it pretty good. 8 seat =UTG in a 10 handed game, going down from there. 8 seat AKo-Ajo, AA-99, A10s, KQs 7 seat add 88, KQo 6 seat add 77, A10o 5 seat add 66, KJs 4 seat add KJo, K10s, QJs hijack add 55, J10s, A9s co add QJo, K10o, A6s, J9s btn add A2s, A7o, K8o, Q9o, J7s, K5s, Q7s, 22 ,33 ,44 sb AXo, K3o, Q6o, 108o, 57s 3 betting standards against tight player? (16/10) standard UTG raiser. AKo, AA-1010 MP raiser, AQo, 88, 99 Late middle/ hijack? AJs, 77 CO/Button A9s, A10o, KQo, AA-44 Against a lag? (23/14) utg - AA-99 AQo MP- Add 77, 88, AJs Late middle/hijack - A10s, KQs, 66, AJo Co/button raiser Same as tight player plus some weaker aces, K10s, KJo, QJs Late position becomes really player dependent. You could fold AQ and you could 3 bet A2s. Cold call a raise? Almost never if it is heads up. If there is a raise and 1 caller then call along with 88-77, QJs, JTs, KQs If 2 or 3 cold callers, call along with any PP, 910s, Q10s, J9s, KJs Complet small blind after a limper if not raising? Axo, K9o, Q9o, Almost Any 2 suited, barring 72s 83s etc. 56o, any pp. Shift standards based on agression and tightness of players. 
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#3
08-24-2005, 09:39 AM
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Re: Chapter 1
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If you are thinking so rigidly about starting hands, and need a starting hand guide, you really don't have what it takes to succeed at 30/60. BTW, 30/60 isn't high stakes. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think the poster means this a "rigid" guide. I think this would be a "standard" basis from which to base discussions. Certainly there would be many times at which deviation from these standards is clearly correct.
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#5
08-24-2005, 02:07 PM
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Re: Chapter 1
Interesting post, My only comment is you should not be reraising with TT vs tight utg raisers. This play will definitely lose money in the long run, unless they play really bad postflop. It is routine for me to fold TT vs these type of raisers unless I believe there will be some backend callers, than i will cold call and hope for the best.
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#7
08-26-2005, 03:59 PM
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Re: Chapter 1
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] If you are thinking so rigidly about starting hands, and need a starting hand guide, you really don't have what it takes to succeed at 30/60. BTW, 30/60 isn't high stakes. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think the poster means this a "rigid" guide. I think this would be a "standard" basis from which to base discussions. Certainly there would be many times at which deviation from these standards is clearly correct. [/ QUOTE ] We pretty much already have that 'standard basis'. This reminds me of a micro forum thread. Do we really need a 'starting hands' list for mid/high limit forum? The guy is right, if you don't have your starters down well, you shouldn't be playing 30-60. b
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08-26-2005, 06:04 PM
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Re: Chapter 1
I think you're undervaluing pairs by just a little. I'm always raising 77 UTG and 22 from the cutoff, and I'll 3 bet 77-TT more often than not. Also, AQo is definitely worth 3 betting even against tight players. You would have to have evidence that they would fold AJ and KQ to not 3-bet.
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