Do you think this is a bluff? - Page 5

curtains · #41 12-06-2005, 07:35 PM

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This is a $22. No reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button (t515)
SB (t1405)
BB (t630)
UTG (t485)
Hero (t1540)
MP1 (t1225)
MP2 (t825)
CO (t1375)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to t450, 4 folds, SB calls t375, 1 fold.

Flop: (t1050) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t500, Hero ...

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I wouldn't push preflop, I would raise to like 350-400. I would move allin on the flop, if he has an ace congratulations to him.

jeffraider · #42 12-07-2005, 02:50 AM

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I'd just have pushed pf

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C'mon man that's criminally bad.

PS nice hand Scuba I play it identically to you! Very nicely done!

bigt439 · #43 12-07-2005, 02:53 AM

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This is a $22. No reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button (t515)
SB (t1405)
BB (t630)
UTG (t485)
Hero (t1540)
MP1 (t1225)
MP2 (t825)
CO (t1375)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to t450, 4 folds, SB calls t375, 1 fold.

Flop: (t1050) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t500, Hero ...

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I would move allin on the flop

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Why would we do this? A call seems vastly superior.

curtains · #44 12-07-2005, 04:51 AM

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This is a $22. No reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button (t515)
SB (t1405)
BB (t630)
UTG (t485)
Hero (t1540)
MP1 (t1225)
MP2 (t825)
CO (t1375)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to t450, 4 folds, SB calls t375, 1 fold.

Flop: (t1050) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t500, Hero ...

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I would move allin on the flop

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Why would we do this? A call seems vastly superior.

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Oh CMON, the opponent has like 450 chips left and the pot has about 2k in it, don't [censored] around in such situations.

bigt439 · #45 12-07-2005, 05:01 AM

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This is a $22. No reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button (t515)
SB (t1405)
BB (t630)
UTG (t485)
Hero (t1540)
MP1 (t1225)
MP2 (t825)
CO (t1375)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to t450, 4 folds, SB calls t375, 1 fold.

Flop: (t1050) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t500, Hero ...

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I would move allin on the flop

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Why would we do this? A call seems vastly superior.

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Oh CMON, the opponent has like 450 chips left and the pot has about 2k in it, don't [censored] around in such situations.

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I actually looked back through this thread and posted earlier that it doesn't much matter if you push or call. I still don't think it makes much of a difference and worded my last response like a tool; however, I do think calling is clearly better than pushing. If you check the turn through and then bet the river he'll call with a lot more than he will on the flop and he's drawing to 2 outs the whole way. I mean I understand that it's not a huge edge either way, but EV is EV; I just find myself doing things like that a lot, saying F it who cares he barely has anything anyways... but I think that line of reasoning costs us money and I was referencing this hand as an example.

curtains · #46 12-07-2005, 05:08 AM

Im not sure its more +EV to flat call. He will call almost anything on the flop getting 5-1 pot odds and having almost no chips left. Also in a sit and go, being eliminated is a disaster. Its possible that some opponents won't put another cent in the pot with a hand like 33, unless a 3 comes. I'm just not into making fancy plays in gigantic pots when my opponent has almost no chips left, seems a bit too greedy to me, especially in a sit and go format, where the penalty for being eliminated is so great.

tigerite · #47 12-07-2005, 07:41 AM

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I'd just have pushed pf

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C'mon man that's criminally bad.

PS nice hand Scuba I play it identically to you! Very nicely done!

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I should have added, "if I've been particularly active of late". i.e., been a bit of a pushbot. Sorry, rushed the reply at the time.

bigt439 · #48 12-07-2005, 03:53 PM

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Im not sure its more +EV to flat call. He will call almost anything on the flop getting 5-1 pot odds and having almost no chips left. Also in a sit and go, being eliminated is a disaster. Its possible that some opponents won't put another cent in the pot with a hand like 33, unless a 3 comes. I'm just not into making fancy plays in gigantic pots when my opponent has almost no chips left, seems a bit too greedy to me, especially in a sit and go format, where the penalty for being eliminated is so great.

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Sure. That's fair enough. If you don't think it's +EV, then obviously don't do it. It just sounded like you were saying push because what the heck he barely has anything anyways. But if you're doing this because you think it has a higher EV then that is cool. And good point about the "penalty" for being eliminated. I think it's still pretty close either way, but I get what you're saying.