A simple flush hand

PTjvs · #1 07-11-2005, 08:39 PM

Reads: UTG is a relative unknown (20 or so hands), 30%ish VPIP, but not enough hands to really know anything. I have been way tight for me this session, VPIP of 12% in 120 hands or so. MP1 is a 34%/3% fish (125 hands). MP2 has been >50% VPIP & >10% PFR%, over only 50 hands. MP3 is a complete unknown. SB is a solid TAG, maybe ever overtight (15VPIP/11PFR%) over 250 hands.

Whew, now that that's out of the way, I think the hand is relatively simple, with the exception of the preflop action. One person Ive spoken to though supports 3betting the flop, although I can't see this as close to correct.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB raises, 1 fold, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, SB caps, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (25 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB bets, UTG raises, Hero calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, SB 3-bets, UTG calls, Hero caps, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (22.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

River: (27.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, SB calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 35.50 BB

JVS

brettbrettr · #2 07-11-2005, 08:40 PM

Raise pre-flop, 3 bet flop.

baronzeus · #3 07-11-2005, 08:49 PM

Since you're obviously at a 0.02/0.04 table, limping preflop with this hand is fine. Your K and your J likely aren't good. The cap at the end on te flop was fine.

The argument for 3betting is to clean your K and your J outs. But it can be argued that your K and your J aren't good here anyways, and you will likely only push people with worse straight draws out, but keep paired people in.

CashFlo · #4 07-11-2005, 08:55 PM

Another argument for 3-betting is citing equity on his flush draw with 8 players in the pot. Am I right? or does that only apply to the Nut flush draw?