Early on: my best and worst starting hands - Page 5

Texas Pete · #41 07-27-2004, 10:06 PM

Bad poker here. I raise UTG+1 and met with a huge raise. IT was wrong for me to call with AQo.

Paradise Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t10 (9 handed) converter

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Button (t1310.00)
SB (t855.00)
BB (t902.00)
UTG (t712.00)
Hero (t1295.00)
MP1 (t570.00)
MP2 (t577.00)
MP3 (t2067.00)
CO (t1712.00)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of t10.
UTG folds, Hero raises to t40, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to t160, CO folds, Button folds, SB (poster) calls t150, BB folds, Hero calls t120.

Texas Pete · #42 07-27-2004, 10:18 PM

I can think of better ways to play this now.

Paradise Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t10 (9 handed) converter

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MP2 (t890.00)
MP3 (t1380.00)
CO (t945.00)
Button (t1220.00)
Hero (t1075.00)
BB (t1390.00)
UTG (t1210.00)
UTG+1 (t800.00)
MP1 (t1090.00)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of t10.
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, MP1 calls t20, MP2 calls t20, MP3 calls t20, CO folds, Button folds, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t140) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7 players)
Hero bets t100, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t100, MP2 calls t100, MP3 folds.

Turn: (t440) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks.

River: (t440) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets t100, Hero calls t100, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: t640
Main Pot: t640 (t640), between MP2 and Hero. > Pot won by MP2 (t640).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Qs Kc (one pair, kings).
MP2 shows Kh Ah (two pair, aces and kings).
Outcome: MP2 wins t640.

Texas Pete · #43 07-27-2004, 10:22 PM

Drawing dead, oh boy.

Paradise Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t10 (8 handed) converter

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UTG+1 (t510.00)
MP1 (t920.00)
MP2 (t1165.00)
CO (t1190.00)
Hero (t1290.00)
SB (t1075.00)
BB (t2050.00)
UTG (t1800.00)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of t10.
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO raises to t55, Hero calls t55, SB (poster) calls t45, BB calls t35, UTG calls t35.

Flop: (t275) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB folds, BB checks, UTG checks, CO bets t60, Hero raises to t120, BB calls t120, UTG folds, CO calls t60.

Turn: (t635) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets t100, BB folds, CO calls t100.

River: (t835) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets t110, CO calls t110.

Final Pot: t1055
Main Pot: t1055 (t1055), between CO and Hero. > Pot won by CO (t1055).

Results in white below: 
CO shows Ad As (two pair, aces and tens).
Hero shows Kh Qs (two pair, kings and tens).
Outcome: CO wins t1055.

Texas Pete · #44 07-27-2004, 10:27 PM

Hmm. Paying for aggression. Or pissing away chips, however you want to look at it. I'll go with the latter.

Paradise Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t10 (9 handed) converter

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UTG (t1885.00)
UTG+1 (t1085.00)
MP1 (t1795.00)
Hero (t1335.00)
MP3 (t685.00)
CO (t860.00)
Button (t670.00)
SB (t820.00)
BB (t865.00)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of t10.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Hero raises to t40, MP3 calls t40, CO folds, Button folds, SB (poster) calls t30, BB calls t20.

Flop: (t160) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t100, MP3 calls t100, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: (t360) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets t100, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t460
Main Pot: t360 (t360), won by MP3.
Pot 2: t100 (t100), returned to MP3.

Results in white below: 
No showdown. MP3 wins t460.

Texas Pete · #45 07-27-2004, 10:32 PM

Check and fold. Min bet is stupid given the size of the pot and check raise for an overcard would be much better off without the straight draw on board.

Paradise Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t10 (9 handed) converter

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SB (t540.00)
BB (t1125.00)
UTG (t920.00)
Hero (t835.00)
MP1 (t2370.00)
MP2 (t635.00)
MP3 (t1175.00)
CO (t1185.00)
Button (t1215.00)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of t10.
UTG folds, Hero raises to t40, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t40, CO calls t40, Button calls t40, SB (poster) folds, BB calls t20.

Flop: (t210) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t20, MP3 calls t20, CO folds, Button calls t20, BB folds.

Turn: (t270) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets t20, MP3 calls t20, Button folds.

River: (t310) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t20, MP3 raises to t200, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t530
Main Pot: t350 (t350), won by MP3.
Pot 2: t180 (t180), returned to MP3.

Results in white below: 
MP3 doesn't show.
Outcome: MP3 wins t530.

Texas Pete · #46 07-27-2004, 10:37 PM

Pissing away chips with pure BS here.

Paradise Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t10 (7 handed) converter

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MP2 (t910.00)
CO (t1422.50)
Button (t2967.50)
Hero (t1335.00)
BB (t615.00)
UTG (t1185.00)
MP1 (t1565.00)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of t10.
UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t20, CO calls t20, Button folds, Hero (poster) raises to t40, BB folds, MP2 calls t20, CO calls t20.

Flop: (t140) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets t140, MP2 raises to t870, CO folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1150
Main Pot: t420 (t420), won by MP2.
Pot 2: t730 (t730), returned to MP2.

Results in white below: 
No showdown. MP2 wins t1150.

Texas Pete · #47 07-27-2004, 10:40 PM

JTo ain't something to go all in with even against a little guy.

Paradise Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t10 (7 handed) converter

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SB (t1590.00)
Hero (t2085.00)
UTG (t150.00)
MP1 (t1260.00)
MP2 (t2835.00)
CO (t1335.00)
Button (t745.00)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of t10.
UTG raises to t150, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t150, CO folds, Button folds, SB (poster) folds, Hero calls t130.

Flop: (t460) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t180, Hero folds.

Turn: (t640) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t640) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t640
Main Pot: t460 (t460), won by MP2.
Pot 2: t180 (t180), between UTG and MP2. > Pot won by MP2 (t180).

Results in white below: 
UTG shows Kh 4h (one pair, kings).
MP2 shows 6d Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: MP2 wins t640.

Texas Pete · #48 07-27-2004, 10:51 PM

Stupid.

Paradise Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t10 (8 handed) converter

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MP2 (t1083.00)
CO (t895.00)
Hero (t1178.00)
SB (t890.00)
BB (t985.00)
UTG (t970.00)
UTG+1 (t2744.00)
MP1 (t1255.00)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of t10.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 raises to t40, MP2 calls t40, CO calls t40, Hero calls t40, SB (poster) folds, BB folds.

Flop: (t190) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 bets t20, CO raises to t100, Hero raises to t180, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls t80.

Turn: (t570) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets t100, CO raises to t200, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t870
Main Pot: t770 (t770), won by CO.
Pot 2: t100 (t100), returned to CO.

Results in white below: 
No showdown. CO wins t870.

Texas Pete · #49 07-27-2004, 11:04 PM

Well, clearly bad play made things worse than they had to be, but it's also clear that these hands are a little more difficult to play early on. Not difficult in an absolute sense, but more difficult than all other hands early on. They require the most thinking IMO.

Changes in my play: These aren't the sort of hands to screw around with early on. Play 'em real tight.

Texas Pete · #50 07-27-2004, 11:18 PM

OK, well, that's my hall of shame. It's quite shameful. The original idea was to investigate various starting hands for early round play. The conclusion is unsuited middle and high hands (KJo, JTo) can be tricky to play. I see no evidence that confirms what you hear sometimes on the boards: "don't play Kxo or low suited connectors". Feel free to post evidence to the contrary. It's OK to play these hands if you play them correctly, from the proper (late) position. In fact, that's what these hands are made for. Multiway pots that are cheap to enter.