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#11
12-05-2005, 10:43 PM
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Re: Live 5-150 hand, rivered flush against a tricky agro
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wait, so he's capable of bluff-raising the river? [/ QUOTE ] Oh yes, very capable. Most of the table has not caught on to it, but myself and another stronger player has. [ QUOTE ] soooooo.....WHY do you want to raise again? you realize he'll fold his bluffs (cant bluff-call can ya) and call with stuff that beats you [/ QUOTE ] Because I do not want to showdown the hand. I want him to see monsters under the bed and anyone else that is paying attention, which is most of the table. 
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#12
12-05-2005, 11:20 PM
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Re: Live 5-150 hand, rivered flush against a tricky agro
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Because I do not want to showdown the hand. [/ QUOTE ] I know you said there's value to not showing hands, and I agree with that...but what about the value of seeing his? If you just call and he shows a bluff, it will do wonders for the game. If he mucks immediately out of embarrassment (or simply conceding), then you win the pot and still won't have to show your hand. Garland
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#14
12-06-2005, 01:22 AM
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Re: Live 5-150 hand, rivered flush against a tricky agro
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[ QUOTE ] Because I do not want to showdown the hand. [/ QUOTE ] I know you said there's value to not showing hands, and I agree with that...but what about the value of seeing his? If you just call and he shows a bluff, it will do wonders for the game. If he mucks immediately out of embarrassment (or simply conceding), then you win the pot and still won't have to show your hand. Garland [/ QUOTE ] We are on the same page then. I called the RR. I dont want to give results yet. It is just post session when I was replaying the hand in my head I was thinking it might be better to RR and force a muck.
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#15
12-06-2005, 01:24 AM
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Re: Live 5-150 hand, rivered flush against a tricky agro
i still dont see why you want to force a muck. what meta-game reasons do you have for that? it cant be any value reasons, because this is a classic "fold out worse hands", "get called/raised by better hands" sort of situation
all rivers are wa/wb [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#16
12-06-2005, 01:38 AM
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Re: Live 5-150 hand, rivered flush against a tricky agro
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i still dont see why you want to force a muck. what meta-game reasons do you have for that? it cant be any value reasons, because this is a classic "fold out worse hands", "get called/raised by better hands" sort of situation all rivers are wa/wb [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] This player is the strongest player on the table from my point of view (I do not think he is stronger than myself). I want him to question his big air bluffs against me. At this point in the session I have not been in enough hands, my image is getting too tight to get action. Which is good in moderate portions, but bad in large amounts. Nothing like picking up AA and raising only to have everyone fold. I am going to have to switch gears here pretty soon or get a table change, and I do not want to do that with 3 ATMs on the table calling down with second pair on cordinated boards. So when I switch to sLAG I do not want to be facing these big river raises from him, I want him scared of me but a little tilted, tilted enough to play back against me before the river, but scared to make big moves on the river.
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#19
12-06-2005, 01:53 AM
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Re: Live 5-150 hand, rivered flush against a tricky agro
seems like you are obsessed w/ your image and fancy reads/angles.
you are in big trouble. just call river reraise, anything else is retarded unless you are against a complete psycho. if u dont want to show this hand, you are just an idiot. any rational u have is just wrong. sorry dude.
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