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Old 12-17-2005, 02:46 AM
smartalecc5 smartalecc5 is offline
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Default Re: Too quick to go WA/WB?

i agree with pg.
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Old 12-17-2005, 02:48 AM
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Default Re: Too quick to go WA/WB?

Your reasoning for raising is my exact reasoning for not raising. When I see this hand, there are two things I want:
* I want to induce mistakes from my opponent
* I want to take this to showdown

If I raise and get 3-bet, not only has the opponent learned something about me hand, but now I might be scared away from taking this to showdown. So I'm at 0/2

If I raise he he calls, I've given him information and reduced his chances of sticking around to the end with a losing hand. 0/2

If I smooth call his flop bet, he has learned little about my hand and since I have showed no aggression, he will be more likely to take it to showdown.

I don't think this is weak just to sit back and let him bet here. Giving him a range of (JJ+,ATs+,AJo+), we are a 70/30 favorite, let him bet the hands we are losing to and let us minimize our losses when hero is behind. My goal for this hand would be to call the flop and get 1 or 2 BBs for both the turn and the river, no more and no less.
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Old 12-17-2005, 02:55 AM
Peter Harris Peter Harris is offline
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Default Re: Too quick to go WA/WB?

i like a turn raise. Funny, it seems like i am in the minority.

11 hands isn't a judgement of tightness, come on. that's not a sample. I would say call the flop, raise the turn and fold to a 3bet. If turn is called, bet a non-A river, check an A behind if checked to.

is this spewing? I hardly think so.
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Old 12-17-2005, 03:04 AM
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Default Re: Too quick to go WA/WB?

Good point. What happens if hero bets raises the turn to be "stop & goed" (yes, I am an English masta!). Do you call the river bet?

Wouldn't the number of bets put in be the same as pokergrader's line when we're ahead and we get a showdown? I suppose it's actually an extra bet since I'm assuming we bet on the river if checked to?
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Old 12-17-2005, 01:29 AM
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Old 12-17-2005, 03:10 AM
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Default Re: Too quick to go WA/WB?

I hate any line that includes a fold in this hand. 11 hands doesn't tell us jack, and I'd just as soon treat this villain as an unknown.

I probably just raise the turn and call down if 3 bet.
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Old 12-17-2005, 03:47 AM
JoshuaD JoshuaD is offline
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Default Re: Too quick to go WA/WB?

I haven't read the thread, so this advice may have already been given.

I call down and raise the river if an A doesn't fall. I can fold to a 3-bet there, he simply doesn't 3-bet here without a FH or a 2.
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