Intro to libertarian philosophy animation

[edthayer]

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As a libertarian, I also agree. Child pornography is a problem because the child cannot give consent. The same goes for bestiality

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Are you a vegan?

[coffeecrazy1]

Um...not sure where you got that, but no...far from it. Is this going to say that animals can't consent to being slaughtered, therefore should not be?

[edthayer]

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Um...not sure where you got that, but no...far from it. Is this going to say that animals can't consent to being slaughtered, therefore should not be?

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Yes, that's where I'm going with this. It's hypocritical to say that it's okay to kill animals for food without their consent, while it's not okay to have to sex with them without their consent. It seems very arbitrary, and, as a libertarian myself, I don't like arbitrary things.

I eat meat btw. And as disgusting as bestiality is, I don't think I can tell someone else that they can't have sex with an animal when I'm eating an animal's flesh.

[coffeecrazy1]

Okay...fair point. As disgusting as bestiality is, you make a convincing argument for its legality. I stand corrected.

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Um...not sure where you got that, but no...far from it. Is this going to say that animals can't consent to being slaughtered, therefore should not be?

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Yes, that's where I'm going with this. It's hypocritical to say that it's okay to kill animals for food without their consent, while it's not okay to have to sex with them without their consent. It seems very arbitrary, and, as a libertarian myself, I don't like arbitrary things.

I eat meat btw. And as disgusting as bestiality is, I don't think I can tell someone else that they can't have sex with an animal when I'm eating an animal's flesh.

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There's a huge difference between beastiality and being carnivorous.

One type of animal eating the flesh of another is totally natural. However, sex between different types of animals, for the most part is unnatural.

Therefore, it's perfectly alright to be a meat-eating libertarian that shuns acts of beastiality.

[edthayer]

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One type of animal eating the flesh of another is totally natural. However, sex between different types of animals, for the most part is unnatural.

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Homosexuality is unnatural, but you're going to have a very hard time finding libertarians who are against gay rights.

Outlawing something because it is unnatural is irrational. Who decides? I could argue that most of modern civilization is unnatural.

EDIT: You can be a meat-eating libertarian who shuns bestiality. I fall into this category. However, I do not wish to impose my beliefs on this matter on others.

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One type of animal eating the flesh of another is totally natural. However, sex between different types of animals, for the most part is unnatural.

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Homosexuality is unnatural, but you're going to have a very hard time finding libertarians who are against gay rights.

Outlawing something because it is unnatural is irrational. Who decides? I could argue that most of modern civilization is unnatural.

EDIT: You can be a meat-eating libertarian who shuns bestiality. I fall into this category. However, I do not wish to impose my beliefs on this matter on others.

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You know, turning new people on to the libertarian ideal is going to be pretty [censored] hard if we get labeled as approving of beastiality like you do.

Beastiality involves an abusive situation. Homosexuality between two consenting adults is not abusive. I see them as being totally different activities.

I suppose that since you eat meat, you approve of people torturing animals for entertainment eh?

[lehighguy]

It really depends on how we classify animals philisophically.

If they exist somewhere inbetween an inanimate object and a human being then perhaps they are afforded some but not all of the rights a human is afforded.

Same for an unborn fetus. Until the fundamental question of wether something is alive, dead, partial/potential live and what rights each of those states affords them it is impossible to take a posistion on the issue.

[edthayer]

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You know, turning new people on to the libertarian ideal is going to be pretty [censored] hard if we get labeled as approving of beastiality like you do.

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Not if we can clearly make the distinction between what is legal and what we approve of. I'm sure that as a libertarian, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

When I argue that I'm in favor of ending the drug war and making drugs legal, usually the next thing people say is something to the effect of: "So you think people should do drugs?" I then explain to them the difference between believing something should be legal versus believing whether you or I should be doing it.

I definitely do not support animal cruelty. They are ways to deal with someone who tortures animals without resorting to government intervention.

[Cyrus]

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You know, turning new people on to the libertarian ideal is going to be pretty hard if we get labeled as approving of bestiality like you do.

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This is the age-old misunderstanding about proponents of freedom. When I defend the right of a person to wear the swastika, salute like a Roman and sing Horst Vessel, this does NOT mean that I support Nazist ideas or that I "approve" of fascism.

It means what it says it means. It means that I support the right to have Nazi ideas. It's a completely different thing.

I do not support bestiality and I do not intend to get married to another man any time soon. But I have no problem whatsoever with other people who (in fact, I support their right to) get married as a couple of two males. Nor with people who wanna [censored] a goat.

...I wonder what PETA thinks about tender loving relationships between men and their goats, by the way.