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12-23-2005, 11:54 PM
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Re: 10/20 Q9s
Is there something about UTG that makes you think your 9's are good here?
Pre-flop is debatable, but you know when its ok to limp with this hand in this spot and I'm not going to question it. 
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#2
12-23-2005, 11:57 PM
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Re: 10/20 Q9s
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Is there something about UTG that makes you think your 9's are good here? [/ QUOTE ] I'm fairly certain I'm behind. But I have a monster draw. [ QUOTE ] Pre-flop is debatable, but you know when its ok to limp with this hand in this spot and I'm not going to question it. [/ QUOTE ] Good boy. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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#3
12-24-2005, 12:05 AM
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Re: 10/20 Q9s
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I'm fairly certain I'm behind. But I have a monster draw. [/ QUOTE ] Don't drawing hands like customers? I don't get why you're trying to shut people out here.
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#4
12-24-2005, 12:12 AM
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Re: 10/20 Q9s
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[ QUOTE ] I'm fairly certain I'm behind. But I have a monster draw. [/ QUOTE ] Don't drawing hands like customers? I don't get why you're trying to shut people out here. [/ QUOTE ] Me neither. When UTG wakes up on this board I doubt your fold equity is enough to compensate for the extra bet you put in. Plus you keep the third guy from calling with hands that don't compromise your outs at all which is a decent portion of a bet in your pocket.
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#5
12-24-2005, 12:38 AM
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Re: 10/20 Q9s
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[ QUOTE ] I'm fairly certain I'm behind. But I have a monster draw. [/ QUOTE ] Don't drawing hands like customers? I don't get why you're trying to shut people out here. [/ QUOTE ] I have twenty outs to an almost sure win. That gives me ~40% equity in this pot.
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#6
12-24-2005, 09:59 AM
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Re: 10/20 Q9s
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I have twenty outs to an almost sure win. That gives me ~40% equity in this pot. [/ QUOTE ] So wouldn't you rather put in 1/3rd of the money on the turn? I'd like it more if your fold equity was > really [censored] slim, or I thought you had a chance to scoop with your pair. As is, I really just don't get it.
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#7
12-24-2005, 11:24 AM
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Re: 10/20 Q9s
Raising or calling to me are both fine. One of the reasons to raise is players start paying more attention as we move up. Raising here gives action, hopefully in a way that our opponents don't understand at all and in a little less than neutral situation. Which we can parlay into more bets later on.
Even passives can be convinced to put more bets in the pot than they normally would (especially if he hits his draw and they get pissed because he jacked it without a made hand). I was this happen twice last night against a player who was putting the screws on two different loose passives. In return, they went multiple bets on the turn against him with really crappy hands. - Jim
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#8
12-24-2005, 12:15 PM
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Re: 10/20 Q9s
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Raising or calling to me are both fine. One of the reasons to raise is players start paying more attention as we move up. Raising here gives action, hopefully in a way that our opponents don't understand at all and in a little less than neutral situation. Which we can parlay into more bets later on. Even passives can be convinced to put more bets in the pot than they normally would (especially if he hits his draw and they get pissed because he jacked it without a made hand). I was this happen twice last night against a player who was putting the screws on two different loose passives. In return, they went multiple bets on the turn against him with really crappy hands. [/ QUOTE ] I don't agree. I don't like raising and I don't think it's particular close. Against what hands will we induce more action when we hit the riverby raising the turn? We have to assume these opponents have made hands since they're passive and both have been playing aggressively. 2-pair are likely as well as a set and UTG might have a completed stright. I don't think UTG will have less than 2-pair even though AJo is possible, MP2 can hold just a pair though. So by raising the turn we'll only get action from sets and 2-pair making their hand on the river, which means we're getting action from full houses, a hand we will lose to. On this coordinated board I don't think we'll any more action from 2-pairs if we raise the turn from loose passives. I like to call the turn, keeping MP2 in the pot and get bet into when I hit the river.
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