question about information calldown

#1 12-22-2005, 04:15 AM

first hand for villain at the table. looks like i have 5 outs on the flop to improve past an Ace, but i might be HU if i call here. is this worth a c/c showdown?

Party Poker 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (5 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 folds, CO raises, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8.00 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img](4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO bets, Hero??

milesdyson · #2 12-22-2005, 04:22 AM

fold preflop

#3 12-22-2005, 04:36 AM

at these limits? in my experience that's a bad play.

milesdyson · #4 12-22-2005, 04:37 AM

okay then 3-bet preflop.

coldcalling here is dirty.

#5 12-22-2005, 04:53 AM

ok

does this change flop strategy at all? should i call down, or would villian play flop differently?

Frogic · #6 12-22-2005, 05:00 AM

Please fold pre-flop, regardless of level.. unless you think he is a COMPLETE maniac, like we're talking 30% pfr

therockofgibraltar · #7 12-22-2005, 05:51 AM

Like others have said: fold pf (or 3-bet) [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

But to your actual question, I would raise this flop.

dealer_toe · #8 12-22-2005, 01:52 PM

not raising or folding preflop leads to tough, very marginal decisions on flops like these. And I don't think many people are comenting on the flop because its a spot that we're probably never going to be in.

Edit: Also a cold call is even worse at .5/1 than it is at higher levels. This is because unknowns are more passive PF making their PFR range even smaller and increasing the possibility of you being dominated.

POKhER · #9 12-22-2005, 02:20 PM

On the flop you've got to fold or raise i think.

like a Q7 example in SSH i think, on a T7x flop i believe, although this is shorthanded and lots of people play aces... So no... it isn't like the SSH example at all duh.

Anyhow you've got raise to protect/Value if you think you're ahead.

I guess you could put forward an arguement that its killing his bluff, but your not way ahead and giving cards away can screw you.

i.e. a queen on the turn will suck.

#10 12-22-2005, 02:24 PM

How could you possibly cold call this? Aggghhh this is awful. 3-bet or fold. And I don't really see how you could want to 3-bet here, unless you already have a read on the villain. KT is dominated 6 ways to sunday, and "at this level" people are actually tighter with their raises then in bigger games.

Raise the flop if you're gonna play, though.