KQ - bet fold or check call situation?

POKhER · #1 10-21-2005, 03:07 PM

I SUCK AT INDENTIFYING CHECK/CALL or BET/FOLD situations. Now of course Betfolding costs the same but loses a showdown. Check call can induce a bluff and also gets a showdown....

But deciding what i need to apply at showdowns is tough concept for me to learn. Maybe its not a thing you learn, and very situation specific i assume but surely theres some general "principles" you could dicuss if you were to write a book for example? I have to review river betting in SSH later.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP1 folds, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB calls.

River: (8.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero....?

BUTTON IS: 42/5.5/2
BB IS: 62/10/1.3

Discussion on this hand, Aswell as links/Discussion on when to value bet Vs check calling will be great

Blunderfull1 · #2 10-21-2005, 03:19 PM

Im thinking bet/fold because it seems that one of them has at least a king, which you can beat. They would check if you checked to them though. Even though most of the time with two opponents one of them will have an ace.

deception5 · #3 10-21-2005, 03:23 PM

I'm checking and considering folding depending on the action.

#4 10-21-2005, 03:26 PM

I check-call, particularly when you intend to call a bet anyway. I think only a better hand calls a bet (trips, low straight) or raises you here (nut straight, boat), and you may save a bet on the river when a scared J or the 9 checks behind on the river. You also may be able to pick off a bluff from a weak king. I doubt this is a place for a value bet.

There's a good section on river play in TOP, it's worth reading.

kiemo · #5 10-21-2005, 04:33 PM

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Same here.

If button bets and BB just calls, I call. If BB check raises then I am out.

Stats on villians generally indicate they are any Ace players and I dont think you have to worry about a Jack in either hand as I would like to think if they had a Jack they wouldve popped you earlier.

PokerIsLife · #6 10-21-2005, 04:39 PM

a 9 or J will call for sure, but might check as well because of the coordinated board.

deception5 · #7 10-21-2005, 04:43 PM

I would also add that the nice thing here is that the villians can't put us in a tough position here. We can either call one or fold when it's 2 to us. It can never be the case that we'd call one and have it raised behind us.

POKhER · #8 10-21-2005, 08:54 PM

Hmm fair enough,
I bet out(reluctantly) and was raised, so folded. flipped over an ace.

#9 10-21-2005, 09:10 PM

(grunching)

I keep changing my mind. Check/call. You have a hand with lots of showdown value. You will get raised by the straight, and will fold any player who doesn't have a K,Q or A, so why bother. Maybe small pairs will call, but they may bet if you check, esp button.

bozlax · #10 10-21-2005, 09:27 PM

Why'd you leave out check/fold? Cuz dat's wut ah'm tinkin', heah!